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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Sep 3, 2022.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    No. It was the LORD by way of the Son Genesis 22:11 ". . . And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, . . ." [Exodus 3:2]
     
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    No, Gen 22 says “Angel” not “LORD”. It doesn’t say “now I know you fear ME”; it says “now I know you fear God”.

    It was an Angel speaking to Abraham, not God

    peace to you
     
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    Note the false claim that the Angel of the Lord of Genesis 22:12 is not speaking God's truth. God's messenger does not speak for the messenger but for God, thus it is God who says "Now I know."

    Note also the endless efforts to claim God does not mean what He says, if it conflicts with man-made false doctrines.

    1) God does not predict future events, He declares what He will accomplish in the future.
    2) "He hath not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future" (Calvinist Doctrine)
     
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    That is how understand it. I believe the angel of the LORD to be the LORD. [Exodus 3:2,]
     
    #24 37818, Sep 13, 2022
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    I understand that belief, and agree that in some places the use of “The Angel of the Lord” may be a pre-incarnation appearance of God The Son.

    Let’s look at the passage another way. What was the purpose of God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Issac? Was God trying to learn something about Abraham He didn’t already know? Or… was God revealing something about Himself that Abraham didn’t know?

    Hebrews 11:17-19 tells us that answer. It says that Abraham offered Issac believing God was able to raise him from the dead. I don’t find any reference in Genesis of that belief.

    Remember, on the way to the place of sacrifice, Abraham assured Issac that God would provide a substitute sacrifice. Abraham knew God had promised his legacy (promises) would come through Issac..

    It wasn’t until the moment came to make the sacrifice that Abraham realized God would raise Issac from the dead to fulfill His promises and made the decision to make the sacrifice.

    It was at that moment, when Abraham realized God could raise Issac from the dead, that He stayed his hand, saying “now I know…”

    The “Now I know” statement not that God had learned something new about Abraham that He didn’t know before but that Abraham had learned something new about God and that God’s purpose in commanding Abraham to offer Issac had been accomplished.

    That’s what I believe

    peace to you
     
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    God is eternal

    God is not bound by time

    there is no past, nor future

    God lives in an ever present now
     
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    I have never denied that God declares anything

    in fact, I made the distinction of declaring (my view) vs seeing into the future
     
    #27 Marooncat79, Sep 13, 2022
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    Right, we agree, God does not predict. He declares what He will accomplish in the future.

    If you look at post #13, you see I say God's declarations are found in scripture, and claims that God decreed this or that not found in scripture is just as off target as those claiming God's declared future actions are "predictions."
     
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    Time-travel theology is fictional, just as Crystal Ball theology is fictional. Both are completely refuted by scripture.
     
    #29 Van, Sep 13, 2022
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