Featured Universalism a strawman argument.

Here you show the relationship. Both have Christ as being the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. The difference is that the General Redemption proponent denies the power of Christ's payment and declares that the will of man overrides the payment of Christ. They actually cheapen Christ's atoning work worse than Universalists.

 

Now if your theory were only true Austin then perhaps you could actually justify your zeal. To bad the bible does not support your view but you won't let that stop you.

How many times must you be show the truths in the bible before you will actually believe them?

 

BUT GOD
forgive sins but God alone Mar 2:7, Luk 5:21
but God knows your hearts Luk 16:15
spoke in this way Act 7:6
With Joseph Act 7:9
not call any man common or unclean Act 10:28
Raised Christ from the dead Act 13:30
demonstrates His own love toward us Rom_5:8
be thanked Rom_6:17
has chosen the foolish things of the world 1Co_1:27
has revealed them to us through His Spirit 1Co_2:10
gave the increase 1Co_3:6
who gives the increase 1Co_3:7
stomach & food will destroy both it and them 1Co_6:13
has called us to peace 1Co_7:15
is faithful 1Co_10:13
composed the body 1Co_12:24
gives it a body as He pleases 1Co_15:38
gave it to Abraham by promise Gal_3:18
is one Gal_3:20
forbid that I should boast except in the cross Gal_6:14
who is rich in mercy Eph_2:4
had mercy on him Php_2:27
who tests our hearts 1Th_2:4
who has also given us His Holy Spirit 1Th_4:8

So which of these are you referring to when you quote "But God"

 

You have repeatedly made this false claim despite having more than just myself show you your error.
There is no uncertainty of Christ's payment on my behalf. Why? Because upon saving me, God gave me faith to believe that He ransomed me.

If God has ransomed all humanity, there would be no need for faith. You would be ransomed by God and that would be that. Your persuasion would be merely an intellectual assent to your ransom without ever having any concern for repentance. Your security would be sure regardless of any persuasion at all since regardless of any action, your ransom is fully paid and no sin can be laid against you. Before God you would be holy regardless of persuasion or no persuasion. Your universal atonement would make you right with God.

Take your General Redemption to its conclusion, 37, and you find yourself in universalism.

 

Austin your theology is built on sand. You have to hope that the faith you say you have is actually real. As you said it is not you that has faith is it, Your authority is calvinism, not the bible.

Question, why did He save you? Were you better, smarter or did you just win the lottery?

 

The Bible may not teach Universalism and ‘orthodox’ General Baptists may not teach Universalism … however, there are “Christian Forums” where UNIVERSALISM is alive and well and may even be the majority view (… because GOD IS LOVE, darn it! and hell is just plain mean.)

 

Austin do you think God is not capable of giving man the ability to reason? The ability to trust the gospel message that they have heard? God could cause man to believe and He can also give man the ability to reason for himself. God does not have to give man faith so as to believe, that is just something that your theological view requires. From what we see in the bible God expects man to make choices based upon evidence available to them and will hold them responsible for their choices.

The presentation of the gospel message is compelling evidence for the position that man can reason and decide to trust in Christ Jesus for salvation.

So actually what we need to do is get down to the core of what makes you deny what the bible clearly shows. Man will be held responsible for rejecting or accepting the gospel message.

 

And those people need to be confronted and refuted.

 

That means you deny that Christs death alone saved them He died for, thats unbelief !

 

Perhaps if you read the context, you would see what the preacher to the Hebrews is saying.

*Hebrews 2:9-13*

But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children God has given me.”

Note the the "everyone" in verse 9 is clarified in 10-13 so we see that it is everyone the Father has given to Jesus.

*Mark 10:13-16*
And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.

In Mark 10 we don't see the process of salvation. There is no General Redemption taught here. You still have to deal with "But God..."

*John 3:1-19*
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesusby night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born againhe cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘Youmust be born again.’ The windblows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but youdo not receive our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Just as you did not cause your physical birth, so you did not cause your spiritual birth. Like Nicodemus, you are struggling with this truth.

 

I provided all that scripture and proof in post #33 and all you can respond with is the above post? 37,you are in denial.

 

The fire is what is described as everlasting. It has nothing to do with the disposition of those in the fire.