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Masoretic text readings.

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by 37818, Dec 17, 2022.

  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Generally the Masoretic text readings are the prefered reading. But the there are proposed readings that are often used as the preferred reading to be used in translation of a text.

    There are a number of passages that can be looked at. But here I am looking at two.

    First in Isaiah 53:9 the Masoretic text reads "deaths."

    ". . . And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his deaths; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. . . ."

    The proposed reading "death" is commonly the preferred translation.

    ". . . And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. . . ."

    Reason for noting this, there are two deaths because of sin.

    Jesus taught, in Matthew 10:28, ". . . And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. . . ."

    In Ezekiel 18:4, ". . . the soul that sinneth, it shall die. . . ."

    Isaiah 53:10, ". . . thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, . . ."

    Jesus was first forsaken on the cross for our sins, Matthew 27:46 per the Psalms 22:1.

    And after this was accomplished per John 19:28 He physically died, per Luke 23:46 and John 19:30.

    Now the second Masoretic text reading to look at. Isaiah 26:19.

    ". . . Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. . . ."

    Now the current proposed reading is "bodies."

    ". . . Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead bodies shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. . . ."

    And the New Testament fulfillment is found in Matthew 27:53, ". . . And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. . . ."
     
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  2. Jordan Kurecki

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    I do know for abstract nouns in Hebrew it's not unusual for them to be plural in form. So "deaths" might simply be an instance of this.

    "7 Abstract plural.12 A plural word may refer to a quality, a characteristic, a state, or the concept of an action. Examples include ‘virginity,’ ‘old age,’ ‘youth,’ ‘blindness,’ ‘life,’ and ‘retribution.’"

    Beckman, John C.. Williams' Hebrew Syntax, Third Edition . University of Toronto Press. Kindle Edition.
     
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    Do you know any other occurrence of the word death in the Hebrew being used in the plural in that way?

    Do you deny the following to be true?
     
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    If an abstact plural, I am suppossing, might be translated as follows, ". . . And he made his grave with the wicked in his death, and with the rich in his death; . . ."
     
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