Featured Christ being made sin Volume 2

No need to assume when I stated that "sin" is a reference to a tangible manifestation of sin; that sin exists as a "thing", literally, in the spiritual world.

 

I already quoted the verses.
This is a false dichotomy arising from our almost-zero knowledge of the realities of the spiritual world.
Your speeding action, if sinful, produces a literal manifestation in the spiritual world that must be contained, like nuclear waste.
It's a like an aberration in the matrix of the universe that results in a metaphysical reality which can be bagged and dumped.

 

My definition of sin that Christ bore on his cross can best be stated in a stanza of a song by Joseph Hart 1711-1768... Called Gethsemane

Sins against a holy God,
Sins against his righteous laws,
Sins against his love, his blood,
Sins against his name and cause
Sins immense as in the sea!
Hide me, O Gethsemane!... Bother Glen

 

If Jesus was sin, he was not sinless! What is the claim of those pushing mistaken doctrine based on mistaken understanding?

 

You and the moderator have a screw loose somewhere... When the scripture says he became us you assume that he became our sin... He didn't become our sin because sin was IN him, he became our sin because our sin was laid ON him... Do you understand what proxy is?... It is someone who represents someone else and does what some else can not do... The song Gethsemane is our sins against God, not The Son sins against his Father... Let me state again these were OUR SINS... God is going to lay our sin on someone that already has sin?... Get real... Brother Glen

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

1) Which verse of scripture says Jesus became us?
2) The claim Jesus was made "to be sin" is not the same as Jesus was made to suffer for our sin as our sin offering, the Lamb of God.
3) Rather than question my vocabulary, why not address the issue.
4) Note that no where does this poster deny Jesus was made to be sin.
5) The issue is not that Jesus was sinless before He was made to be sin, the issue is whether Jesus was sinless when He was made to be sin.

Here is a literal translation of 2 Corinthians 5:21:
For the One knowing no sin, for the benefit of us he makes "sin," that we may become the righteousness of God in Him.

For Jesus to be sinless, He did not become sin as far as missing the mark, but did become sin as far as receiving the consequence of sinful behavior. Thus Jesus was and is God's sinless sin offering, sacrificed to provide the forgiveness of our sins, all of us who have been transferred into Christ and have undergone the washing of regeneration.

 

Having finished my sermon prep I have time for a quick post.

John 1:14. 'And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.' God became man in the Person of Jesus Christ. He did mot cease to be what He had always been, but became something new as well. That, I think is what Brother Tyndale means. Our Lord came in the likeness of sinful flesh, but the NT is replete with testimonies that He never sinned.

The question is asked, how did Christ become sin? He became sin (not a siinner) in the same way that we sinners become righteousness (not righteous). By imputation. The Bible tells us that 'The iniquity of us all was laid on Him' and 'He Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree.' The use of xulon, 'tree' instead of stauron, 'cross' indicates that our Lord as well as being made sin, 'Became a curse [not cursed] for us' (Gal. 3:13). The curse that was upon us (Deuteronomy 27:26) and upon the world (Genesis 3:17-19) was laid upon Him and He expiated it (Romans 8:20-21; Revelation 22:3). Now God can be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.

All this is so simple and straightforward that a child can understand it. 'See you here the foundation truth of Christianity, the rock on which our hopes are built. It is the only hope of a sinner, and the only true joy of the Christian—the great transaction, the great substitution, the great lifting of sin from the sinner to the sinner’s Surety, the punishment of the Surety instead of the sinner, the pouring out of the vials of wrath, which were due to the transgressor, upon the head of his Substitute, the grandest transaction which ever took place on earth, the most wonderful sight that even hell ever beheld, and the most stupendous marvel that heaven itself ever executed—Jesus Christ made sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him!'
C.H. Spurgeon. Enjoy the whole sermon here:
https://www.spurgeongems.org/sermon/chs3203.pdf

I couldn't possibly comment.

 

You are forgetting one thing scripture says Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh so he was sinless until our sins were laid on him... Likeness of sinful flesh does not mean he was like man in any sinful way... Psalm 51:5 by David says how we ALL come into this world... If he had any sin in him, his Father could not lay our sins on him... As Martin said he became a curse for us... ON THE TREE... If he is anything like us in any other way... I don't have a Savior... There is no hope fore me and Hell is my home... And like I'm been saying on here for twenty years, Jesus Christ is my Savior 100% not for what I've done for him but what he's done fore me... Jesus Christ WILL SAVE all the Father gave the his Son and scripture says so, because God is in the Salvation business not me... Brother Glen

Romans 8: 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

I know everyone has their thoughts on this scripture and I'm not going to argue one way or another but go to scripture for the answer, God prepared the body... Not in the likeness of man, in the likeness of sinful man... Humanity without sin wrapped up in Divinity... Sinless!!!... Brother Glen

Hebrews 10: 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

 

I shall be interested to know the context of your reference. I have had a very quick glance through the book and have not been able to find it, but that does not mean it's not there. If you say it's there, I'm sure it is, but I'd like the reference, please.
There are however several refences in the book to 2 Corinthians 5:21, and Owen does not find it necessary to correct the translation: For example:

I do not count Owen as uneducated, but if interprets 'sin' as 'sin offering' in 2 Cor 5:21, then I disagree with him as I did with you. That Christ's life was made a sin offering is true (Isaiah 53:10), but it is not what 2 Cor 5:21 says for the reasons I gave.
However, I don't think you will be able to show that Owen used the verse to try and disprove the Doctrine of Penal Substitution.