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Adam was not perfect before he sinned. He was innocent. Had he refused to sin then he would have been righteous, that is, perfect. He failed the test and all in Adam are therefore spiritually dead sinners.

The Lord Jesus passed the test in the wilderness temptations and all in Him are spiritually alive saints. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Our spirit was dead to God, thus must be reborn to be alive to God. It was dead to God because it ultimately came from Adam. Our flesh is reborn at the resurrection. “He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit.” 1 Corinthians 6:17.

 

Dave G’s posts on this thread are correct.

 

We need to understand what death is. Death is not cessation. That’s the way we think of it but that’s not correct. Death is separation.

If we read James, then we see that the body without the spirit is dead. The body still exists but it is not animated by the spirit, likewise, when we are spiritually dead, we are separated from God. Our spirit does not cease to exist, but it is separated from God. When a person is born again they are made one spirit with Christ, 1 Corinthian 6:17. When Adam sinned, he was separated from God, that is, he died spiritually. He failed the test, he lost his innocence, and he became a sinner, separated from God, spiritually dead.

The Lord Jesus was born, spiritually alive. He was tested in the wilderness, and He passed the test. He was tested throughout life, and He always passed the test. If we remain in Adam, we remain spiritually dead. But when we are born again, we are placed into Christ and we are spiritually alive forever, because we are forever one spirit with Him.

 

11 For this is the message which ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another:
12 not as Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his works were evil, and his brother`s righteous. 1 Jn 3

 

Really? Then I will be interested to know your views on Genesis 2:17 and Romans 5:12.

 

Fair enough.
Genesis 2:17 mentions death. Not something that did not yet exist. Not a not yet meaningful word. Animals which would eat other living things including plant life would die when eaten.
Romans 5:12 teaches death had also became a result of sin.

 

Thank you.
With regard to Genesis 2:17, why do you think God warned Adam that he would die if he ate the fruit, if he was going to die anyway?
Romans 5:12 teaches that sin came into the world through one man. I take it that you agree that the man was Adam (not too many other candidates!). But if death was in the world before Adam sinned, how can he be responsible for death coming into the world?

 

The words ". . . for in the day that thou eatest . . . ." Would be a death then.

That was not the warning given. The words ". . . for in the day that thou eatest . . . ."

He caused the whole human race to have the knowledge of good and evil so to have a sinful nature caused by the knowledge of evil. God did not make man to be infinitely good.

 

Thats exactly what happened.

The other things were a RESULT of the fell.

The penalty of sin is death

In adam all die. Even so in christ shall all be made alive

And we who were DEAD in trespasses and sin he has made ALIVE

 

Yu missed the point. Not everyone will die. 2 in the OT did not see death. And many on ressurection day will be coughs up without suffering physical death

Because they were made alive, who were dead in sin.

 

Two men in the Old testament times were spiritually alive if spiritually alive is defined by the Spirit of God indwelling the body, which is physical. It is defined in the New Testament in that exact way whether anyone but God and me agrees. No other men were spiritual in that sense besides these two men. So, logically speaking, these are the only two men who could die spiritually, and they are the only two men who has ever died spiritually, or who will ever die spiritually. This makes the concept of dying a physical thing except for Adam and Jesus. However the concept of being dead spiritually is entirely different. All of Adam's family are dead spiritually but they did not die to get that way, they were born that way. They were born in the likeness of Adam and after his fallen image. Another way of saying this is, They were born in the image of Adam after he died.

In spite of everyone of us having an eternal soul that will be conscious forever and will occupy a place somewhere forever, we did not get that soul from Adam. The soul, which is the spiritual part of every man and identifies us as a singular personality, came from God. It does not come from Adam. However, our bodies do come from Adam. We are all in Adam's generations. The life of our bodies is in the blood, we are told. The body must live for the soul to occupy it. The body, because of sin being introduced into the world, is not eternal and it can and will die and the soul will of necessity depart from it into a place determined by God. The body will decay and go back to it's basic elements over a short time.

Think of this as you read this verse.

Ro 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Can anyone here process that statement? What is dead because of sin? The body is dead because of sin. Where did the Spirit of God live in Adam? Your answer is correct if you said the Spirit of God indwelt the body of Adam when there was no sin in him. If you answer is something else, you have answered wrong.

The Spirit of God, who is defined in Rom 8 as "LIFE" does not make the mortal body eternal when he indwells it. The body is the tabernacle where both the Spirit of God and the spirit of man fellowship together and reconciled for all eternity. Each saved man has this experience but one must wait ( bible and Romans 8 word and idea) to receive the incorruptible body until the collective church receives it at the exact same time because the church is one body and is a trinity when complete. The body, composed of Jew and gentile, and indwelt by the Spirit. Three in one and one in three and in perfect accord. Jew & gentile and the Spirit.

Nobody believes that, at least the Baptists here do not believe. They believe hardly a word that God says. They cannot reason, and logic is lost on most of them.

Now, notice this after he says the body is dead because of sin:

Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

What kind of bodies is the Spirit of God quickening? Dead bodies! Mortal bodies! If they are mortal they are not eternal but we did not need God to tell us this fact. We have all buried saved loved ones who have died. This indwelling of the body does not make our bodies immortal but it does give us a sure hope of a glorified body, and that is what Romans 8 says.

Compare these two verses;

Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Ro 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Some logic:

If a body of a repentant believer in Jesus Christ that has been racked by sin can and does become the habitation of the Spirit of God and be quickened by his presence in it, isn't it logical that the Spirit of God could and did dwell in a perfect man who had no sin and was in the presence of the triune God daily? It is logical to conclude that. Adam was in the image of God. He was a trinitarian being.

The one deliberate and disobedient act of Adam brought sin into the world, and death by sin. What and who would anyone think was the first to die? If the Spirit in our bodies makes it alive, what would the Spirit in Adams body do? What would make the body of a perfect man alive? What will make our perfect body alive when we receive it? The Spirit. What makes it alive now? The blood. Corruptible blood.

It is logical to believe that God created Adam in a glorified state. One must ask himself how it is that the most intelligent man who ever lived outside of Jesus Christ himself and a man who fellowshipped with God daily in the Garden could be naked and not know it. The glorified body is a body that glows and shines. Adam and Eve were clothed with the glory of God until he sinned. He sinned in his body and the Spirit no longer dwelled in it. The body is dead because of sin.

Now, if Adam had not sinned when tested, he would have been sealed in righteousness of God and all his offspring would have been born in his trinitarian nature and history would have unfolded differently.

There is more to know about this but God has drawn the nature of man out in the dust when he formed the tabernacle in the wilderness, where he dwelt among his people Israel. One can learn about God dwelling in man by studying that similitude.

 

Only those two? Elisha must have been doubly spiritually alive by your criteria because he had a double portion of the spirit that was in Elijah.

 

The soul does not come from God. The soul is produced by the union of the spirit and the body. God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. He was alive.

One’s spirit comes from his father, ultimately from Adam. He died to God (was separated) spiritually when he sinned. All are descended from Adam except Christ.

Adam was the first man and all humanity comes from him. He is the First Adam, the first of a new race of beings never seen before. All in the first Adam are spiritually dead because their spirits came from him. The sin nature is therefore passed on by one’s father, thus the necessity of the virgin birth. Christ’s spirit did not come from Adam. He was born without the sin nature.

The Lord Jesus, in His incarnation, is the Second and Last Adam, the first man of a new race of beings, who are spiritually reborn in Him by their union with Him. All in Christ are spiritually alive in Christ. He is the Word Who was with God and Who was God and Who became flesh. His Spirit is God’s Spirit because He is God.

Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned? YES. And all humanity are therefore spiritually dead sinners and MUST be born again of God’s Word and God’s Spirit to be made alive. All die in Adam, all are made alive in Christ.

Are you made spiritually alive when you are joined to Christ? YES. That is when you are born again, when the Holy Spirit puts you into Christ. That is when you are made spiritually alive.

 

If I may ask, what do you make of these?

" Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." ( Ezekiel 18:4 ).

"And the Lord God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." ( Genesis 2:7 )

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." ( Matthew 10:28 ).

" And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:" ( Revelation 6:9 ).

" And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin." ( Genesis 35:18 ).

Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Hebrews 4:12.
1 Corinthians 15:45.

 

I don't know what you're trying to say here. Why are you so reluctant to add, "Thou shalt surely die"?
But it doesn't matter. If we can't get to agreement on the basics of Adam's existence, we're not going to get anywhere near agreement on whether he died spiritually. I think I'll leave this to others.

 

Two issues. You are not hearing my argument. And your accusation that I am reluctant to add the words "Thou shalt surely die" makes no sense. Note, I argued, "Would be a death then."

 

Spiritual death is not foreign.

We are dead/ and must be born again, That is a scriptural content.

It is not physical death, it is spiritual

Spiritual death just separation between us and God, that spiritual separation must be restored. That is what it mean to be born again, Regenerated. made alive etc..

That spiritual separation or barrier is removed/