Featured Did Adam die spiritually when he sinned?

No.
The common practice was to bury the body:
Then when years had passed, to take the bones.....and place then in their final resting place.
When people refused to follow Christ, they made the excuse that they had to "bury" their dead.
Hence why erstwhile followers tried to buy themselves YEARS by sauyng:
"let me bury my father".
Their father had been dead for years....

Did you have any time to acrually read my post at all?
I don't think you did. I don't think you absorbed my argument at all.

The long and short of my argument is that "Spiritually" dead is usually nonsense, and that is not what the Scriptures are talking about at all.
I don't deny the concept...........as such:
Paul will use it as a metaphor.
Other New Testament writers use it...

The answer to your question in the O.P. is
NO
NO
NO
Adam didn't die "Spiritually".......he DIED!

 

This all makes sense, if you accept that "die" means............
to "die".

You don't have to qualify the word.
It's the simplest word in every language on the planet.

"Die"
Means
"Die" "perish" "cease all vital functions" "become inert" et. al.

Accepting this will change your entire Theological worldview:
But, the Scriptures will make SO SO SO much more sense, if you accept it.

 

Adam did NOT die "Spiritually" when he sinned...........
He DIED!

 

Yet he lived for 900 years. So how did he die?

 

The statement is prolepsis.
He was refused access to the tree of life and he eventually died, as do all of his progeny after him. He didn't have to instantly keel over. God used prolepsis. "In the day you eat, you shall surely die".
It's like a kid who does something wrong and says "I'm a dead man". Or, a condemned prisoner and people saying "dead man walking" (which did indeed happen). This is prolepsis.

From Merriam Webster:
ANTICIPATION: such as
a
: the representation or assumption of a future act or development as if presently existing or accomplished

There's no need to say he died "spiritually" that day. That is reading systematic Theological presuppositions back into the narrative. No one reading the initial narrative would have thought about it in those terms. Neither should we. Genesis should inform us of its intent. Our systematic Theology should not inform Genesis of its intent.

 

I think, JonC, that the problem is the scriptural definition of death. Most people do not agree on how to define it. God defines death as a separation. God is a Spirit, he says. The Spirit of God in Adam when he was created gave him the ability to fellowship in the presence of God, and he did. When sin entered in the fellowship was broken and God and Adam were separated by it. God was not separated from Adam, Adam was separated from God. The only way of reconciliation is to eliminate what was separating them. As soon as it was put away by the blood of Christ, the Spirit of God could once again dwell in man and they could be reconciled. The internal fellowship of God and man could not be renewed until it was. It was nothing God had done to cause this death but it was he who took the initiative to remedy it and to redeem man. The next four thousand years (four days on God's calendar) was preparation for the reconciling of God and man through the last Adam (who had the Spirit in his body from birth). He paid the ransom for sinners, death, and that body that was put in the tomb was incorruptible because it had never sinned, but it did not have the Spirit of God in it during the three days it was there. The idea that it did is pure ignorance of the scriptures. The soul of Jesus was in paradise in the heart of the earth and the Spirit who had dwelt in his body was in heaven until he raised Jesus from the dead. This is the first spiritual birth in human history. Jesus Christ is the firstborn son of God from the dead. I am a son of God. I was dead spiritually and I received Jesus Christ by faith and i was born again by receiving his Spirit into my body and he quickened me according to the scriptures. I was dead and now I am alive.

Isn't this what happened at the cross of Christ. Isn't the Spirit given to all mankind if they will receive him as the gift of God? Doesn't God say we have been reconciled to him by Jesus Christ? Yes, Adam died spiritually on the day he sinned. Yes, death is the separation of the indwelling Spirit of God from Adam. He was created the son of God, he was not born the son. He was not sealed with the Spirit as we are. There was no sacrifice for Adam in case he fell. But he was the son of God for two reasons. 1) Because he had the Spirit of God in his body, and 2) because God said he was before he sinned. The Spirit and sin cannot dwell there at the same time.

Jesus Christ died in the same manner Adam died. First spiritually, and then physically. We read in the gospels that the Spirit of God dwelt in the body of Jesus Christ just like he dwelt in the body of Adam.

Here are some verses to ponder but they will do no good if your mind is made up and cannot be changed even by God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

You can see that it is the Spirit of God who quickens the body by dwelling in it. This is not something new.

Jn 1:4 In him (Jesus) was life; and the life was the light of men.

1 Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Ro 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:10 .... but the Spirit is life.....

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The words of God are reasonable, simple, logical, and true.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Re 1:55 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Those who are spiritually dead in Adam are in the presence of God physically, that is they enjoy his creation but the body is not eternal and the eternal soul cannot live in it forever. Physical death occurs when the soul and body are separated. The Body returns to dust and the soul is dispatched by God. See Rom 1.

May the Lord Jesus Christ be exalted and magnified by this post. It is my prayer.

 

God deals with eternal life in the context of the first and last Adam, the first man and the second man. This does not mean that God the Spirit does not have an earthly ministry among men whenever he chooses and in whatever way he chooses, but God does constrain himself to context of his own story. IOW, God cannot lie, so he cannot do one thing and say another. If God says Jesus Christ was a man, the God man, and he died for our sins and was resurrected in a glorified body, and then declared that he was the firstborn son of God from the dead, then Elijah and Elisha could not be sons of God. Fortunately for the integrity of God and our confidence that what he says is always true, he did not claim that Elijah and Elisha were sons of God and that the Spirit working in them was a new birth. So, who has God called the son of God so far in the scriptures? Adam, Jesus, all those who have received the Spirit by trusting the salvation of God through the second son of God after he, Jesus, rose from the dead.

But, my guess is you will continue to claim for them whatever you have decided to believe about it.

 

so we are said to be dead because of sin. And we are told we need to be born again. How can we be dead. but yet still alive, and need to be made alive again (you can see why Nicodemus asked that question about his mothers womb)

 

See also Mark 10:15, ". . . Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. . . ."

 

Agreed. We are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. I don't think anyone disputes that.
What I do not think is that is what the Genesis narrative is about. I do not believe it was ever intended to be read that way.

 

I don't follow your logic here. "Firstborn" means "preeminence", not chronology. God also called Isaac Abraham's "only son", yet Ishmael was Abraham's son for about 13 years before Isaac was conceived. Conclusion? Isaac was the son of promised; Ishmael wasn't, thus Abraham's "only son" from God's perspective.

God has many sons. The Lord Jesus is the preeminent one and He is the only "begotten" Son, yet (as you pointed out) Adam was also called a son of God.

Another example: We are all God's "offspring" but all are not God's children. We are children of God through faith in the Lord Jesus.

I said I don't understand your logic. I would appreciate you explaining it to me. Thank you in advance.

 

Adam began to die when his was created. Or the tree of life would not have been needed to be provieded.

 

well if we are spiritually dead because of sin

And Adam sinned

Then by definition. Adam died spiritually

there is no other way to read it

 

He did die

he was spiritually seperated from God. and like all of us, Needed Gods grace to be made alive again.

 

The only correct way to read it, is to understand that Genesis is speaking of physical death.
I can agree that Adam became spiritually dead.
The author of Genesis, however, says no such thing and does not intend for us to understand it that way.
When Adam died, it was physical death God had warned him of, and physical death he received. Reading "Spiritual death" into the Genesis narrative is a mistake. It was not intended to be read that way.

What you are suggesting is reading Systematic Theology back into a text. That is not good hermeneutics.

 

.thats not true

he said IN THE DAY, you will die

Not 900 years later

physical death, like sickness, Cancer Disease, Weeds, Famine bad storms are a result of sin. not the penalty of sin.

I am not ready anything back into the text. I am reading he text as written