Featured The Biblical Doctrine of Election

Summary, the biblical doctrine of individual election for salvation is conditional, it occurs during our lifetime; God chooses us individually out of this world, not before the foundation of the world, when He chose Christ.

The only way I see to reconcile Ephesians 1:4, He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, with 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and John 15:19 and 1 Peter 2:9-10 and James 2:5 is to understand the phrase “He chose us in Him” as meaning He chose Christ to be His Redeemer, His Lamb of God (1 Peter 1:20) before the foundation of the world, and since you do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem, God’s choice of Christ chose us corporately as a target group of His Redemption plan but not individually. Thus Paul (in Ephesians 1:4) is speaking to those who have been redeemed during their lives, and is letting them know of the many blessings they have received, the first one being the blessing that was directed toward them when God chose Christ.

How can anyone claim we were "children of wrath" if we had received mercy before we existed? Once we are set apart in Christ we are children of God, a new creation.

 

Here is your actual argument from post #110:

Van as I pointed out to you before you have to look at the context in which "sanctified" is used. It is clear that in this context the meaning is saved. "the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified" not that he might be. That is past tense, it is something that has happened.​

The context of 2 Peter 2:1 is the person "sanctified" is heading to swift destruction. Thus the idea is when Christ became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2, He sanctified, set apart under the provisions of the New Covenant in His blood, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

"The word translated as "knowledge" refers to the specific understanding of the gospel. Nothing in the Greek or its grammar supports your claim." Thus "knowledge of the truth" refers to an accurate understanding of the gospel, contextually in Hebrews 10:26.

 

No, I did not say nor suggest they had been saved. They had been put under the New Covenant, thus acquiring the means of salvation.

Once saved, always saved is the correct biblical doctrine.

If we go on sinning, turning away from our knowledge of the truth of the gospel, then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, because you rejected the only sacrifice, the Lamb of God.

Your repeated effort to assert my understanding of the word is flawed is nonsense.

 

Bottom line, sanctified is sometimes used to mean set apart for other purposes than individual salvation within Christ's spiritual body.

 

Summary, the biblical doctrine of individual election for salvation is conditional, it occurs during our lifetime; God chooses us individually out of this world, not before the foundation of the world, when He chose Christ.

The only way I see to reconcile Ephesians 1:4, He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, with 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and John 15:19 and 1 Peter 2:9-10 and James 2:5 is to understand the phrase “He chose us in Him” as meaning He chose Christ to be His Redeemer, His Lamb of God (1 Peter 1:20) before the foundation of the world, and since you do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem, God’s choice of Christ chose us corporately as a target group of His Redemption plan but not individually. Thus Paul (in Ephesians 1:4) is speaking to those who have been redeemed during their lives, and is letting them know of the many blessings they have received, the first one being the blessing that was directed toward them when God chose Christ.

How can anyone claim we were "children of wrath" if we had received mercy before we existed? Once we are set apart in Christ we are children of God, a new creation.

The context of 2 Peter 2:1 is the person "sanctified" is heading to swift destruction. Thus the idea is when Christ became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2, He sanctified, set apart under the provisions of the New Covenant in His blood, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

 

As used in Hebrews 10:29, sanctified means set apart, but does not mean set apart into Christ, but rather set apart under the New Covenant.

Note one action of the Holy Spirit are to provide God's message to humanity, via the inspired Word of God. This can be rejected, resisted, partially accepted or fully embraced. Not at issue.

However, the Holy Spirit also leads those indwelt on the paths of righteousness, and we can follow or disregard that guidance.

But when the Holy Spirit spiritually relocates us out of the domain of darkness into the Kingdom of Christ, we have no say in the matter, and no ability to resist such a divine action.

Once saved, by God transferring us spiritually into the Kingdom of His Beloved Son, we are always saved because Christ has said He will not cast us out, John 6:37.