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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by 37818, Apr 29, 2023.

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    https://www.prunch.com.br/wp-conten...ous-defection-from-Biblical-infallibility.pdf
     
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    The TR came from the majority texts. All you are saying is that the NASB and the NKJV are two different texts. These came through different lines of transmission but they are still the word of God. The TR and majority text came through the same line of transmission but are still the word of God. Did the TR use different manuscripts than the Majority or just additional ones? You are trying to split hairs the do not exist.
     
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    I do not think you understand the real issue. All texts identified as Scripture have common texts which are 100%. Where they differ does not make the 100% text errant. The variants are what are either the word of God or not.
     
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    So what do you do with the texts that are in dispute? I listed three. And who determines 100%?

    So what you are saying is the it is really all subjective. It depends upon who you think has the correct answer.
     
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    Yes, I know that. I do understand the real issue. It is not just a count of how many, but the quality, age and provenance of the mss.
     
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    Where the texts of the manuscripts are the same. What makes a text the book that it is? Matthew or Mark or Romans or Revelation or . . . . They have text in common.
     
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    On a case by case basis. Variants are either unique to one ms or family of mss. And as you have noted types of variants. They occur between the 100% common readings.
     
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    I agree with what you said but what do you do when you have disagreements as to what the text should be. And there are disagreements. So how can you say the text is inerrant? You can say we have a accurate text based upon the best manuscripts but we can not make the judgement that it is inerrant can we.

    Do not misunderstand me on this, I am not saying we can not trust the bible. We can and should. No Christian doctrine is omitted from the Alexandrian text, but some appear strengthened in the Byzantine text. Those texts that are in dispute are not major ones although some would say that they are.
     
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    Where do you think we have 100% common reading?
     
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    Again, case by case. Issue by issue.
     
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    How about in John 1:18, "No man hath seen God at any time; . . . only begotten . . . , which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (word translation issues aside for now.)
    The variants are at least three, ". . ." the, Son, God.
     
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    Is it merely just opinion? Or is it really an issue of correct methods to actually identify the original autographs, in that they are, God's inerrant word?
     
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    Be more specific with your question.
     
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    adjective
    free from error; infallible Please show me the bible that you think is inerrant.
     
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    But if the bible is inerrant then it should not be case by case issue by issue. We should have at least one bible that is perfect, without error. Is that not what you have been arguing for?
     
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    @37818 here are a few of the bibles that I have on my system. Which one or ones are inerrant and which one or ones are accurate?

    John 1:18

    (BSB 1.2) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.

    (CJB) No one has ever seen God; but the only and unique Son, who is identical with God and is at the Father's side—he has made him known.

    (ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

    (ISV*s) No one has ever seen God. The unique God, [Other mss. read Son] who is close to the Fathers side, has revealed him.

    (KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    (LEB Q) No one has seen God at any time; the one and only, God, the one who is in the bosom of the Father one has made him [*Here the direct object is supplied from context in the English translation] known.

    (NASB 95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him

    (NET+) No one has ever seen God. The only one,N45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship withN46 the Father, has made GodN47 known.N48

    (NIV 1984) No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, , who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John the Baptist Denies Being the Christ

    (NKJV) No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

    (NLTs) No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is Himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

    (NRSV) No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known.

    (ABPs+) [3GodG2316 1No oneG3762 2has seen]G3708 at any time;G4455 theG3588 only bornG3439 son,G5207 the oneG3588 beingG1510.6 inG1519 theG3588 bosomG2859 of theG3588 father,G3962 that oneG1565 described him.G1834

    (Alford+) θεὸνG2316 οὐδεὶςG3762 ἑώρακενG3708 πώποτε·G4455 ὁG3588 μονογενὴςG3439 υἱός,G5207 ὁG3588 ὢνG1510 εἰςG1519 τὸνG3588 κόλπονG2859 τοῦG3588 πατρός,G3962 ἐκεῖνοςG1565 ἐξηγήσατο.G1834

    (TRi+) θεὸν God G2316 N-ASM οὐδεὶς No One G3762 A-NSM ἑώρακεν Has Seen G3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT πώποτε· At Any Time; G4455 ADV ὁ The G3588 T-NSM μονογενὴς Only Begotten G3439 A-NSM υἱός, Son, G5207 N-NSM ὁ Who G3588 T-NSM ὢν Is G5607 V-PXP-NSM εἰς In G1519 PREP τὸν The G3588 T-ASM κόλπον Bosom G2859 N-ASM τοῦ Of The G3588 T-GSM πατρὸς Father, G3962 N-GSM ἐκεῖνος He G1565 D-NSM ἐξηγήσατο Declared Him. G1834 V-ADI-3S
     
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    Yes, Pickering is a man just like other men. Opinion on the best method.
     
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