What are the specific biblical instructions concerning translating God’s words into other languages

[JD731]

POINT #1 - Well I am sure you will agree that none of the bibles that we have are the inspired scriptures or at least I would think you would agree since only the autographs were inspired. Every bible that we have is a translation. And since the KJV was done in 1611, and then redone in 1629 & 1638 & 1760 & 1769 which one do you consider to be the inspired one or do you just consider it to be a translation done by men just as all those other bibles are translations done by men.

As I said before, unless you are using a Konie Greek text for your NT then you are using a translation. So you JD have a real problem as you said you use the KJV so why are you doing that as it is not inspired so you are violating your own standard.

POINT #2 - Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Do you think Christ was saying that we have to teach everyone English before we can preach the gospel to them or perhaps French or German and why not Greek but then it would have to be Konie Greek as that is what they spoke back then. And what language do you think the autographs were written in JD? As I said before, you do not even know what you are asking.

POINT #1
Focus please, focus! If you insist on discussing the KJV, fine. Let’s start a thread on the topic, but this thread is not about that. This thread is about what God instructs about translating his own testimony in words of other languages. You have advanced the notion that since any and all translations are uninspired and God is not involved in them then it is the prerogative of any man, group, or organization to present a translation or paraphrase at any time they choose and that God either sanctions it or is disinterested in the practice.

I just would like to know where he addresses this subject and if you want to quote the original autographs to answer the question it is fine with me. The only word I have on the scriptures is that all scripture is inspired of God and I actually believe the words of a translation can be inspired of God, but only one per language. What would be the point of more especially when the teacher of those inspired words, the Spirit of God is a permanent and ever present resident in the bodies of the redeemed.

Point #2
Your point #2 taken from Mk 16:15-16 to prove your thesis will not work logically. The disciples were given a commission and the history of their actions written in the Acts of the apostles allows us to see how they understood the command. Follow this logic.

Mark 16:15-16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Here is Peter preaching 50 days later answering the question of the Jews. See what is said.

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

receiving the Holy Ghost is the definition of being saved and Peter’s command to the Jews was obedience to the command of Jesus in Mark 16.


Acts 10:39-48
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

The take away on these verses and reconciling the difference in Peters practice of baptism lies in the meaning of the term “creature.” Jesus did not send them out to preach and baptize the world of the creature, but the creature of the world. The Jews are the creatures.

 

[Deacon]

I am trying to get you to see that God is not the author of these many translations in the same language.

Oh my! Really troubling.
My first thought was that your view is strange and an eccentric position.

But then I realized your position is quite similar the Muslim teaching discouraging the translation of the Quran.

Rob

 

[Logos1560]

I am trying to get you to see that God is not the author of these many translations in the same language.

Perhaps you are failing because you are merely attacking your extreme strawman misrepresentation or distortion. I have not advocated nor recommended the Critical Text nor English Bible translations made from it. I have not advocated having 100 or 200 Bible translations in English. I have not claimed that God was not involved in the making of the pre-1611 English Bibles, in the making of the 1611 KJV, or in the making of the 1982 NKJV. Perhaps your focus is wrong since you seem to focus on your strawman.

Perhaps only around the same number of English Bible translations are in print and are being used or read today as the number in print and being used before and in 1611.

Reading more than one English Bible translation or consulting more than one English Bible translation would be in agreement with the scriptural truth of safety in a multitude of counsellors.

In the multitude of counsellors there is safety (Proverbs 11:14b)

For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety (Proverbs 24:6)

Without counsel purposes are disappointed, but in the multitude of counsellors they are established (Proverbs 15:22)

Are you claiming that God was not the author of the multiple, varying English Bible translations of which the KJV is a revision or that God was not involved in their making?

The Scriptures do not teach your human opinion that the word of God is bound to only one Bible translation per language. According to a just application of your inconsistent reasoning, the 1611 KJV should not have been made since English-speaking people already had the word of God translated into English many years before 1611.

 

[Piper]

Oh my! Really troubling.
My first thought was that your view is strange and an eccentric position.

But then I realized your position is quite similar the Muslim teaching discouraging the translation of the Quran.

Rob

This guy is obviously aberrant in something. Time will reveal exactly what.

 

[Piper]

yes Silverhair, I do know what I am asking. I am asking what passages in the scriptures deals with translating his scriptures into other languages? Are we just to presume that anyone with a pen and paper and can speak Greek and Hebrew and the target language has liberty to translate?

How important for modern Christians is it to have the inspired scriptures?

It is important.

Now, one question for you. Answer it or shut your pie hole.

Where do you read the inspired scriptures? In what translation?

 

[Silverhair]

POINT #1
Focus please, focus! If you insist on discussing the KJV, fine. Let’s start a thread on the topic, but this thread is not about that. This thread is about what God instructs about translating his own testimony in words of other languages. You have advanced the notion that since any and all translations are uninspired and God is not involved in them then it is the prerogative of any man, group, or organization to present a translation or paraphrase at any time they choose and that God either sanctions it or is disinterested in the practice.

I just would like to know where he addresses this subject and if you want to quote the original autographs to answer the question it is fine with me. The only word I have on the scriptures is that all scripture is inspired of God and I actually believe the words of a translation can be inspired of God, but only one per language. What would be the point of more especially when the teacher of those inspired words, the Spirit of God is a permanent and ever present resident in the bodies of the redeemed.

Point # 1-a
The only God inspired text was the autographs. It is the height of hubris to call any translation "inspired" in the same sense as the autographs.
Point #- b
To say a translation is not inspired as the autographs were is not to say that God was not involved in the translation of modern bibles. Are you questioning the motives of the people behind the NASB, LEB, NET NIV etc? Do you not believe that they used their God given talents to produce those translations?
Point #1-c
Since we do not have the autographs it would be hard to quote them. We have translations of the autographs. Which brings us to the your main point, "The only word I have on the scriptures is that all scripture is inspired of God and I actually believe the words of a translation can be inspired of God, but only one per language" You do not seem to be able to make up your mind on where you stand. Either ALL scripture is inspired or only One is inspired. And which English translation do you consider to be inspired?
Was it Tyndale's, the NASB, or perhaps the Berean. Who are you to decide which one or if any are inspired or not

Point #2

Your point #2 taken from Mk 16:15-16 to prove your thesis will not work logically. The disciples were given a commission and the history of their actions written in the Acts of the apostles allows us to see how they understood the command. Follow this logic.

Mark 16:15-16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Here is Peter preaching 50 days later answering the question of the Jews. See what is said.

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

receiving the Holy Ghost is the definition of being saved and Peter’s command to the Jews was obedience to the command of Jesus in Mark 16.


Acts 10:39-48
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

The take away on these verses and reconciling the difference in Peters practice of baptism lies in the meaning of the term “creature.” Jesus did not send them out to preach and baptize the world of the creature, but the creature of the world. The Jews are the creatures.

Point # 2
So we have the Apostles preaching the gospel message and then we have the written word, Paul, Peter, James etc. So what point were you trying to make when you disagreed with Mark 16:15-16? By your last comment "Jesus did not send them out to preach and baptize the world of the creature, but the creature of the world. The Jews are the creatures" are we to conclude that the gospel message is only to be preached to the Jews?

 

[Silverhair]

I am trying to get you to see that God is not the author of these many translations in the same language.

JD you wrote the above quote in post # 78. If God is not the author of those other English translations then who is? And which English translation do you think God is the author of?

 

[Piper]

JD you wrote the above quote in post # 78. If God is not the author of those other English translations then who is? And which English translation do you think God is the author of?

According to one of his earlier threads, only those who heard apostles speak the word are saved.

 

[Silverhair]

According to one of his earlier threads, only those who heard apostles speak the word are saved.

Then you have to wonder what he actually believes. Why do we even have the written word. Strange ideas from JD.

 

[Alan Gross]

Jesus used Greek translations of the Hebrew Old testament, thereby giving credence to translating.

And, of course, giving credence to that translation passing His muster*, or whatever you want to call it. That translation had gained His approval, met a His level of acceptance, as God, and was obviously considered satisfactory.

We could call it, a "sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience", per the 1689 LBCF. 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20

I call it, "inspired", and I don't care how smart I'm supposed to be to know that "by inspiration of God" just refers to the Original Autographs.

That "...volume of the book it is written of me," is one of which I have "an exact copy" sitting next to me that is ALIVE that I call with the saints of old, "inspiried", because God uses His Words that He has preserved. "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63.

There is a demand to not say "deferred inspiration", which makes someone a Ruckmanite in the great minds of men(?), but I have used the word deferred, as related to the inspiration of a translation of the Bible, in the sense of a great copy of an Artwork is said to have been "deferred", from the original work. It's a whole lot like it, in other words. A whole lot.

There is even reference in language to a copy of something that has to be imperfect to some extent being called, "an exact copy". Try that on. The Greek translations of the Hebrew Old Testament that Jesus used were "an exact copy". Meaning "imperfect", really, but not enough to care.

Jesus did say,
"...the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day." John12:48b.

So, how did Jesus know that the words He had "spoken" would be written down and translated and preserved for us to read, in order to make us accountable to them, and actually kept safely to also be used to Judge those at the Last Day?

Because He is God.

John 3:31; "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 "And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 "He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

And, as God, He is Big Enough to handle the Original Autographs, Superintend over the copying and translation of them, and for their preservation, since God the Father gave Jesus not the (Holy) Spirit by measure unto him." He says so, over and over. Here The Triune Godhead says so.

I have "received his testimony".

Whereas the most nefarious impetus for creating a translation, to the most spurious texts used, translated by some of the foremost leaders in the Occult, etc., etc., to produce something people call a version of the Bible, chopped up worse than the Reader's Digest "version", should expect them to be simply condemned. Period.

Spurious in, spurious out.

Spurious means "not being what it purports to be".

I have a translation that is what it purports to be.


*“Muster” in this case refers to an inspection or review that a soldier might go through, etc.

 

[JD731]

Point # 1-a
The only God inspired text was the autographs. It is the height of hubris to call any translation "inspired" in the same sense as the autographs.
Point #- b
To say a translation is not inspired as the autographs were is not to say that God was not involved in the translation of modern bibles. Are you questioning the motives of the people behind the NASB, LEB, NET NIV etc? Do you not believe that they used their God given talents to produce those translations?
Point #1-c
Since we do not have the autographs it would be hard to quote them. We have translations of the autographs. Which brings us to the your main point, "The only word I have on the scriptures is that all scripture is inspired of God and I actually believe the words of a translation can be inspired of God, but only one per language" You do not seem to be able to make up your mind on where you stand. Either ALL scripture is inspired or only One is inspired. And which English translation do you consider to be inspired?
Was it Tyndale's, the NASB, or perhaps the Berean. Who are you to decide which one or if any are inspired or not



Point # 2
So we have the Apostles preaching the gospel message and then we have the written word, Paul, Peter, James etc. So what point were you trying to make when you disagreed with Mark 16:15-16? By your last comment "Jesus did not send them out to preach and baptize the world of the creature, but the creature of the world. The Jews are the creatures" are we to conclude that the gospel message is only to be preached to the Jews?

I want to digress from my point of the op for this one response because it is demonstrably evident from your comments that you men have no ability to process biblical information and to make reasonable and logical judgements from a given text of scripture. It seems you have been dumbed down by the present philosophical opinions of the end days of this age.

Mark 16 records some of the last words of Jesus to his disciples before he ascended back to heaven where he remains to this very day. Before he left he gave his disciples some instructions. We have a historical document called the Acts of the apostles that chronicles the next 40 years until all the apostles were dead, saving one. This is the unfolding of the history and we can easily see by reading it how the apostles understood their charge by what they did to obey it.

Now Silverhair, you quoted something that Jesus told the apostles to do, but you did not quote everything Jesus said. Jesus had just before said this to these men who had ministered with him for three years to the Jews. Take a look;

Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Notice the very next thing after this that Jesus spoke to these men who did not believe the gospel of his resurrection.

Focus;

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The creatures to whom they were sent with the same good news of Jesus and his resurrection must believe and be baptized to be saved. I did not make that up. I read it in the text. If you have read this whole post so far, you read it too.

So, 50 days later what did Peter say to the creatures? I will post what he said and to whom he said it.

Ac 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Here then is the question from these creatures;

Ac 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

The answer to the question is going to shock everyone who has been posting on this board because Peter is going to say the exact same thing Jesus said in Mark 16. Watch it.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Receiving the Holy Ghost is salvation. Jesus had told them concerning the creatures, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Peter told them what Jesus told him.

But when Peter opened the door of faith to the gentiles 10 years later he said no such thing to them. They received the holy Ghost the moment they believed and without baptism. Read the record for yourself;

Ac 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

I conclude that the commission in Mark 16 is an apostolic commission to Israel and not a church wide commission of evangelism to the world at large.

 

[MrW]

Acts 2 indicates God wants His Word in other languages. 1 Corinthians 12, also.

 

[JD731]

Here is a very troubling thing that has been exposed by this op. These are all Baptists if they are honest because this is a sections for Baptists only. The apostasy has progressed much farther than I had expected. Not a single Baptist can answer the question of the thread. Neither can they follow the historical narrative and draw logical conclusions from the texts. They attack me because I have asked a question they cannot answer. The simple and true answer is that God has not put the burden of translating and preserving his scriptures upon men. Those men who disagree and translate because they presume that God wants them to are guilty of presumptuous sins, no?.

The Baptists here are mean spirited and vicious. I have felt their cuts. Here is a comprehensive look at the word of God that is still to this day preserved in translations that he has ordained.

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

[Logos1560]

I want to digress from my point of the op for this one response because it is demonstrably evident from your comments that you men have no ability to process biblical information and to make reasonable and logical judgements from a given text of scripture. It seems you have been dumbed down by the present philosophical opinions of the end days of this age.

Perhaps you display arrogance and your own presumption. Your mean-spirited comments suggest that you consider yourself to be spiritually superior or think that you cannot be wrong in your private interpretations. You can be wrong and are wrong in your opinions and human wisdom.

You have not presented reasonable, logical, and righteous judgments from the Scriptures. Righteous judgments would not show partiality to one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611 since partiality contradicts the wisdom from God above (James 3:17).

 

[Silverhair]

I want to digress from my point of the op for this one response because it is demonstrably evident from your comments that you men have no ability to process biblical information and to make reasonable and logical judgements from a given text of scripture. It seems you have been dumbed down by the present philosophical opinions of the end days of this age.

Mark 16 records some of the last words of Jesus to his disciples before he ascended back to heaven where he remains to this very day. Before he left he gave his disciples some instructions. We have a historical document called the Acts of the apostles that chronicles the next 40 years until all the apostles were dead, saving one. This is the unfolding of the history and we can easily see by reading it how the apostles understood their charge by what they did to obey it.

Now Silverhair, you quoted something that Jesus told the apostles to do, but you did not quote everything Jesus said. Jesus had just before said this to these men who had ministered with him for three years to the Jews. Take a look;

Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Notice the very next thing after this that Jesus spoke to these men who did not believe the gospel of his resurrection.

Focus;

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The creatures to whom they were sent with the same good news of Jesus and his resurrection must believe and be baptized to be saved. I did not make that up. I read it in the text. If you have read this whole post so far, you read it too.

So, 50 days later what did Peter say to the creatures? I will post what he said and to whom he said it.

Ac 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Here then is the question from these creatures;

Ac 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

The answer to the question is going to shock everyone who has been posting on this board because Peter is going to say the exact same thing Jesus said in Mark 16. Watch it.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Receiving the Holy Ghost is salvation. Jesus had told them concerning the creatures, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Peter told them what Jesus told him.

But when Peter opened the door of faith to the gentiles 10 years later he said no such thing to them. They received the holy Ghost the moment they believed and without baptism. Read the record for yourself;

Ac 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

I conclude that the commission in Mark 16 is an apostolic commission to Israel and not a church wide commission of evangelism to the world at large.

The really sad part is that you do not even realize just how illogical your comments are.

 

[JD731]

Perhaps you display arrogance and your own presumption. Your mean-spirited comments suggest that you consider yourself to be spiritually superior or think that you cannot be wrong in your private interpretations. You can be wrong and are wrong in your opinions and human wisdom.

You have not presented reasonable, logical, and righteous judgments from the Scriptures. Righteous judgments would not show partiality to one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611 since partiality contradicts the wisdom from God above (James 3:17).

I understand you cannot give a biblical answer to the question of the op but do you also fail to understand that 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel with whom God had made immutable and eternal covenants with as a single whole had been separated and driven off the land into the nations since 722 BC? Have you never read the prophesy of Hosea, who delivered the prophesy to this northern kingdom of Israel of their national demise but in the same breath prophesied of a new birth for them? Now with the resurrected Jesus as the agent of their new birth they now have the opportunity of being accepted back into the family of God and this is what is on the mind of Jesus with this apostolic commission to go to them with the good news.where are they? They are in the world. How will they hear the good news from the apostles seeing they do not know the language of the Jews? Well, God will have them hear the apostles preach in the language of their physical births.


Hosea 1:9-11
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

For anyone to become a child of God requires a new birth into his family. This can only be accomplished through faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Now you can see why God brought the whole nation together atPentecost was so he could.give everyone of them his Spirit, who is the agent of the new birth.
Sadly, they rejected him as a whole, only a relatively few receiving his salvation.

Thus Israel’s rejection of life through Christ became the gentiles opportunity to have life. The creatures in Mark 16 are the tribes of Israel.

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[Logos1560]

The really sad part is that you do not even realize just how illogical your comments are.

With his KJV-only blinders on, he does not seem to see how he reasons unsoundly and judges unrighteous judgments.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Here is a very troubling thing that has been exposed by this op. These are all Baptists if they are honest because this is a sections for Baptists only. The apostasy has progressed much farther than I had expected. Not a single Baptist can answer the question of the thread. Neither can they follow the historical narrative and draw logical conclusions from the texts. They attack me because I have asked a question they cannot answer. The simple and true answer is that God has not put the burden of translating and preserving his scriptures upon men. Those men who disagree and translate because they presume that God wants them to are guilty of presumptuous sins, no?.

The boldface would mean that one would need to know the original languages on order to read scripture. Believing that translating is presumptuous and outside of God's will would logically mean that every translation, going all the way back to the LXX, is thus presumption.

 

[37818]

Proverbs 30:5-6, "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

Common among KJ-onlyist. Because KJ-onlyism is effectively adding to God's word.

The misinterpretation of Psalms 12:7, ". . . Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. . . ." By taking the translation of them to refer to God's word from verse 6. And so ignoring the original 1611 translation note of it's Hebrew word "him," being translated "them."

 

[JD731]

The boldface would mean that one would need to know the original languages on order to read scripture. Believing that translating is presumptuous and outside of God's will would logically mean that every translation, going all the way back to the LXX, is thus presumption.

No it does not.

Guys, I have only asked you to confirm by scripture that God wants a continious string of translations in the same language and that he has addressed our responsibility as believers to translate the scriptures. I am being very bold here and assuming that you fellows are aware that the scriptures are called both the word and the words of God and claim inspiration for themselves.

Just for information for this discussion, I am not claiming myself that the word of God, the scriptures, must be present for a person to be saved. What it takes for a person to be saved is a preacher with a testimony of being saved himself and who will make known who God is and what he has done for sinners through his son, Jesus Christ. This is called the gospel of God. He can be saved whether he ever sees a Bible.

However, to understand the mysteries of God and the deep things of God one must have been born again and have the Spirit of God in him. It is the indwelling Spirt who enlightens the mind through the written word of God. These truths are dependent on the words that God has chosen because his truths are in his words. These words must be studied and believed.

1 Cor 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

If any of you men thinks it is just good enough to have a Bible to know God and his ways you are fooling yourselves. One must have an inspired Bible AND the indwelling Spirit of God to have spiritual understanding. Be sure you understand what I am saying. Sinners can be saved and remain ignorant. The same epistle in the next chapter calls it remaining babes in Christ and I will quote the pit falls of that eventuality in my next post. Some of you fellows here are in that condition because you are following skillful deniers of truth and you desire that you be perceived by others as among the smartest people in the room. It is a terrible trade off.