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I disagree. It teaches those who repent and believe will be saved; those who do not will remain lost.

 

It does, however the reason why some repent and believe is because they were saved, believing and repentance is the evidence. They were given those gifts because they were Gods elect.

 

You have it backward. “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ AND (subsequent to believing) thou SHALT BE saved. Not before. Immediately upon first believing. Without FAITH, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. He that comes to Him must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

 

You have it backwards, One cant believe/ have Faith until they are being saved.

 

Sure, it teaches the doctrine of election. Two thieves have been rejecting Jesus throughout his ministry. They end up on flanking crosses, and still reject Jesus.

However, one then repents, questions if the other even fears God, then confesses Jesus as Lord. Jesus replies that he has now been elected to inherit eternal life with him.

What we know from this is that Jesus does the teaching, does the saving. The one saved did the asking, did the confessing, and even did a bit of evangelizing in the process.

 

So, you're saying they were saved before they were saved??? So, why go through the pretence of repentence. It doesn't make sense if someone is saved regardless.....

 

They were saved [regenerated] before they believed and or repented. So believing and repentance are evidences of having been saved, and not conditions performed in order to get saved.

 

The confessing thief was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, however he wasn't granted faith in Jesus until the twilight of his life while on his tree.

 

Not in the text. The claim referred to the teaching in the text.

 

It's a biblical inference for Christ gives repentance Acts 5:31

 

Not at all the same thing. What is in a text is what is in a text, not in another.

If one wishes to show how one text does not conflict with another, that is one thing. But to claim a text itself teaches something is quite another.

 

Yes it is, Christ gives repentance, God gives it Acts 11:18

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

God gives repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

My inference is scriptural, that's part of bible interpretation and understanding.

The text of the thief teaches also Gods discriminating Mercy !

 

That sort of misperception is one reason why actual discussion can be so difficult to achieve.

So far, at best, one can say that this pericope can be used to illustrate the OP teaching derived from other passages.

It, however, does not teach it per se, and could in fact be used to illustrate a different teaching.

Saying that this pericope teaches the doctrine, or even either doctrine, is to engage in eisegesis.

 

It can be discussed. God gives repentance, thats what was manifested by the one thief, a change of mind.

 

Sorry....then if I didn't need to repent to be saved I could have gone on living like the devil and still been saved....guess I could do that now....::Rolling eyes::

 

Say what???

 

Thats how the natural man thinks about the grace of God.