Was it the Choice of God That You Were Born Into the World

[atpollard]

Is GOOD a THING?

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• [Matthew 19:17 NKJV] 17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
• [Mark 10:18 NKJV] 18 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God.
  
• [Luke 18:19 NKJV] 19 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God.

 

[KenH]

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I think we agree that the Bible discusses "good" and "evil".

 

[atpollard]

a.t., will you go on record in your next post as believing someone whom God has not particularly chosen before the creation of the world to be saved from their sins can at some point and under certain circumstances be saved anyway? And would you say that someone who has been chosen for salvation can ultimately die unsaved and be lost and go to hell?

Is that what you are trying to tell us now after the Reformed have told us for years that neither of these two scenarios can happen?$

Will you settle for the post after my next?

No, I cannot affirm the salvation of those whose names are not written in the book of life before they were born will be added, nor can I affirm that a vessel prepared for destruction can change its predestined fate, nor can I contradict scripture and affirm that it is the will of man that counts and not “God who shows mercy”.

However, the reality that wheat will always be wheat and a tare will always be a tare and a tare cannot suddenly transform itself into wheat is affirmed by Reformed and Particular Baptist teaching without proclaiming the heretical (contra-biblical) reasons that you falsely ascribe to “Calvinism”.

I note that you failed to provide support for your false claims about “Calvinist” teaching from the WCF or BCF, so my challenge remains unanswered except for an attack to deflect from your inability to support your false claims about Calvinist teaching.


You should just present BIBLICAL TRUTH with BIBLICAL SUPPORT (affirmative posts on what you believe) rather than unrelenting “strawman” attacks on the beliefs of others.

 

[David Kent]

1. Sovereign Ruler of the skies!
Ever gracious, ever wise!
All my times are in Thy hand,
All events at Thy command.

2. His decree, who formed the earth,
Fixed my first and second birth;
Parents, native place and time,
All appointed were by Him.

3. He that formed me in the womb,
He shall guide me to the tomb;
All my times shall ever be
Ordered by His wise decree.

4. Times of sickness, times of health,
Times of penury and wealth;
Times of trial and of grief,
Time of triumph and relief.

5. Times the tempter's power to prove,
Times to taste a Savior's love:
All must come, and last and end,
As shall please my heavenly Friend.

6. Plagues and deaths around me fly,
Till He bids I cannot die:
Not a single shaft can hit
Till the God of love thinks fit.

7. O Thou Gracious, Wise and Just,
In Thy hands my life I trust:
Have I somewhat dearer still?
I resign it to Thy will.

8. May I always own Thy hand
Still to the surrender stand;
Know that Thou art God alone,
I and mine are all Thine own.

9. Thee, at all times, will I bless;
Having Thee, I all possess;
How can I bereaved be,
Since I cannot part with Thee?

 

[Piper]

The word sovereignty is not a Bible word nor is it a Bible concept. If God wanted to present himself as sovereign he could have. He did want to and so he didn't. You are deceived.

If it is not a Bible concept, clearly taught from Genesis to Revelation, I am a heretic.

 

[Piper]

… not a reformed doctrine. Try to locate this teaching in the Westminster Confession of Faith or the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith or any other Reformed source of doctrinal teaching.

When the point you are refuting is not actually what the opposing side is claiming, that is the definition of a “Straw man fallacy”.

It is common to those who are opponents of truth, restate it, or question it in a way that subtly turns it into "FATE." "FATE" as an interpretation of Reformed Doctrine, is false.

 

[JD731]

If it is not a Bible concept, clearly taught from Genesis to Revelation, I am a heretic.

God exercises his sovereignty in his judgements. He judges men when they sin and will not repent after he has exhibited other of his attributes like mercy and grace and kindness and long suffering, etc.

If one painted a picture of your God in the form of a man (if you are of the Reformed persuasion) he would be a 100 pound man with a 90 pound hand. He is distorted so bad he is ugly to look at.

 

[KenH]

The true God is not like the false gods of Greek and other heathen mythologies who can fail to achieve what they purpose. God is never disappointed. God is sovereign...all the time.

 

[JD731]

The true God is not like the false gods of Greek and other heathen mythologies who can fail to achieve what they purpose. God is never disappointed. God is sovereign...all the time.

If God the Father came to earth as a man instead of God the Son, there would be no difference. God the Father would have been exactly like God the Son and would have reacted to the same situations in exactly the same way as he did. God the Son did not act in sovereignty. He humbled himself and acted like a man and was subject to their laws, as long as they were morally right. He even paid taxes.

 

[KenH]

. God the Son did not act in sovereignty.

Christ was, is, and always will be absolutely totally sovereign in His divine nature. Christ humbled Himself and took on the form of man, but without sin; yet never ceasing to be God with all of His divine attributes.

 

[Piper]

Christ was, is, and always will be absolutely totally sovereign in His divine nature. Christ humbled Himself and took on the form of man, but without sin; yet never ceasing to be God with all of His divine attributes.

PREECH IT BRUH!!!!!

 

[JD731]

PREECH IT BRUH!!!!!

Do you think God ceased being God during his incarnation and do you think he was not tempted in all points, like as we are, like he said he was? Do you deny that he put himself under the authority of earthly rules. Do you think he tired from his labor and needed sleep and rest?

 

[Piper]

Do you think God ceased being God during his incarnation and do you think he was not tempted in all points, like as we are, like he said he was? Do you deny that he put himself under the authority of earthly rules. Do you think he tired from his labor and needed sleep and rest?

I don't answer to you. I answer to the Bible. The Bible teaches that the 2nd person of the Trinity never ceased being what he was when he became what he had never been before.

Answer that.

 

[KenH]

The Bible teaches that the 2nd person of the Trinity never ceased being what he was when he became what he had never been before.

Amen!

 

[Marooncat79]

Do you think God ceased being God during his incarnation

no

and do you think he was not tempted in all points, like as we are, like he said he was? Yes


Do you deny that he put himself under the authority of earthly rules.

No. Paul addresses it in Colossians, yet Christ demonstrated that He could over come them by: walking on water, raising the dead, knowing their thoughts, etc

it’s in the Kenosis passage that we see that. We know that Christ chose not to know certain things ie His return, yet He could still know peoples hearts when He chose to do so

Do you think he tired from his labor and needed sleep and rest

yes. No one doubts this

 

[Piper]

Do you think God ceased being God during his incarnation

no

and do you think he was not tempted in all points, like as we are, like he said he was? Yes


Do you deny that he put himself under the authority of earthly rules.

No. Paul addresses it in Colossians, yet Christ demonstrated that He could over come them by: walking on water, raising the dead, knowing their thoughts, etc

it’s in the Kenosis passage that we see that. We know that Christ chose not to know certain things ie His return, yet He could still know peoples hearts when He chose to do so

Do you think he tired from his labor and needed sleep and rest

yes. No one doubts this

He's trying to pin you into a corner.

 

[JD731]

Do you think God ceased being God during his incarnation

no

and do you think he was not tempted in all points, like as we are, like he said he was? Yes


Do you deny that he put himself under the authority of earthly rules.

No. Paul addresses it in Colossians, yet Christ demonstrated that He could over come them by: walking on water, raising the dead, knowing their thoughts, etc

it’s in the Kenosis passage that we see that. We know that Christ chose not to know certain things ie His return, yet He could still know peoples hearts when He chose to do so

Do you think he tired from his labor and needed sleep and rest

yes. No one doubts this

The question was about sovereignty and Jesus being God. He is the one who said he and his Father are one. He is not acting in a sovereign role, yet he did not cease from being God when he became one of us, a man.

Look again at what this fellow said.

Christ was, is, and always will be absolutely totally sovereign in His divine nature. Christ humbled Himself and took on the form of man, but without sin; yet never ceasing to be God with all of His divine attributes.

Piper thought this illogical reasoning was great.

 

[Piper]

The question was about sovereignty and Jesus being God. He is the one who said he and his Father are one. He is not acting in a sovereign role, yet he did not cease from being God when he became one of us, a man.

Look again at what this fellow said.



Piper thought this illogical reasoning was great.

Are you trying to say Jesus was not Sovereign?

 

[JD731]

He's trying to pin you into a corner.

He does not need my help.

 

[Piper]

He does not need my help.

Do you think Christ, in his self, changed when he became man?