The Deity of Christ

[Piper]

What does that mean?

Does "the Deity of Christ" assume that while on this earth, Jesus of Nazareth, the 2nd person of the Trinity, Christ, the God-man, unique God and Man, was God? If he was God, and is God, he was/is the same as God. Hence he had all of the attributes of God.

Was he Sovereign? On earth?

Yes.
"“He did not lose what He was, but began to be what He was not. He did not cease to possess His own nature, but received what was ours.”

Hilary of Poitiers, The Trinity, trans. Stephen McKenna, Fathers of the Church 25 (Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 1954), 3.16.

 

[tyndale1946]

What does that mean?

Does "the Deity of Christ" assume that while on this earth, Jesus of Nazareth, the 2nd person of the Trinity, Christ, the God-man, unique God and Man, was God? If he was God, and is God, he was/is the same as God. Hence he had all of the attributes of God.

Was he Sovereign? On earth?

Yes.
"“He did not lose what He was, but began to be what He was not. He did not cease to possess His own nature, but received what was ours.”

Hilary of Poitiers, The Trinity, trans. Stephen McKenna, Fathers of the Church 25 (Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 1954), 3.16.

John 19: 28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Brother Glen

 

[Piper]

John 19: 28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Brother Glen

Good verses. How do they apply? Jesus thirsted. He died. Still the same God-man as always,

 

[Alan Gross]

he bowed his head

in worship to God the Father.

 

[tyndale1946]

in worship to God the Father.

Alan... The only correction I would make is... In the worship to God, HIS Father!... Brother Glen

 

[37818]

John 19: 28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Brother Glen

Hebrews 1:3 makes it clear while as the man paying our sins He never ceased being God too.

 

[Van]

What does that mean?

Does "the Deity of Christ" assume that while on this earth, Jesus of Nazareth, the 2nd person of the Trinity, Christ, the God-man, unique God and Man, was God? If he was God, and is God, he was/is the same as God. Hence he had all of the attributes of God.

Was he Sovereign? On earth?

Yes.
"“He did not lose what He was, but began to be what He was not. He did not cease to possess His own nature, but received what was ours.”

Hilary of Poitiers, The Trinity, trans. Stephen McKenna, Fathers of the Church 25 (Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 1954), 3.16.

Yet another effort to create a god according to the speculation of humans.

Here is the illogical nonsense propounded: If Jesus was God, ... he had all of the attributes of God. Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope

Jesus did not know the time of His return, thus Jesus while incarnate know only what He chose to know, not everything imaginable.

 

[Piper]

Yet another effort to create a god according to the speculation of humans.

Here is the illogical nonsense propounded: If Jesus was God, ... he had all of the attributes of God. Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope

Jesus did not know the time of His return, thus Jesus while incarnate know only what He chose to know, not everything imaginable.

So, you're saying that God changed?

 

[Van]

So, you're saying that God changed?

So you saying nothing, while endlessly posting questions?

Here is the illogical nonsense propounded: If Jesus was God, ... he had all of the attributes of God. Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope

Jesus did not know the time of His return, thus Jesus while incarnate know only what He chose to know, not everything imaginable.

God does as He pleases, and God became flesh to be the Lamb of God. Logos did not grasp equality with God.

Philippians 2:5-7
You should have the same attitude toward one another that Christ Jesus had,
who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.​

Who would deny this truth??

 

[Piper]

The Kenosis, "Philippians 2: "Emptied" does not refer to God laying aside Omnipresence or Omniscience.

Context: "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

J.B. Lightfoot, in his commentary, describes it as laying aside the prerogatives of Deity. Not that he changed, but that he did not always exercise those attributes. He was still omniscient, but he did not exercise it.

 

[Van]

The Kenosis, "Philippians 2: "Emptied" does not refer to God laying aside Omnipresence or Omniscience.

Context: "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

J.B. Lightfoot, in his commentary, describes it as laying aside the prerogatives of Deity. Not that he changed, but that he did not always exercise those attributes. He was still omniscient, but he did not exercise it.

Good golly Miss Molly, now you agree as if you disagree. ROFLOL.

Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope​

 

[Piper]

Good golly Miss Molly, now you agree as if you disagree. ROFLOL.

Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope​

He does not set them aside.

He never changes, but he does not exercise those attributes.

 

[Van]

He does not set them aside.

He never changes, but he does not exercise those attributes.

J.B. Lightfoot, in his commentary, describes it as laying aside the prerogatives of Deity. Not that he changed, but that he did not always exercise those attributes. He was still omniscient, but he did not exercise it.​

Wait for it folks, this quibbler will claim laying aside is different from setting aside. I kid you not...

 

[Piper]

He did not lay aside the Attributes. He laid aside the "Prerogatives" or the use.

 

[37818]

The three fundamentals.
* God never changed.
* The Son of God as God never changed.
* The Son of God with God did change how He was with God.

 

[SATS PROF]

Yet another effort to create a god according to the speculation of humans.

Here is the illogical nonsense propounded: If Jesus was God, ... he had all of the attributes of God. Does having God's attributes require God could not set some aside, such as omnipresence and omniscience? Nope

Jesus did not know the time of His return, thus Jesus while incarnate know only what He chose to know, not everything imaginable.

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IMO,. Mk 13:32 (like John 4:5, and His napping only in a boat) refers to Jesus human nature only. I am a sort of Nestorian! Blessings, Bill

 

[Van]

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IMO,. Mk 13:32 (like John 4:5, and His napping only in a boat) refers to Jesus human nature only. I am a sort of Nestorian! Blessings, Bill

Mark 13:32
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The Father alone, rules out that the Divine nature of Jesus actually knew the time of His return.

Likewise, John 4:6 says Jesus was tired or weary from His journey. Not sure how a claim can be made that His Divine nature was not weary or tired, as the verse is silent on the subject and arguments from silence of nonsense.

Jesus incarnate laid aside some of His Divine attributes, as documented repeatedly in scripture.

 

[SATS PROF]

Mark 13:32
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The Father alone, rules out that the Divine nature of Jesus actually knew the time of His return.

Likewise, John 4:6 says Jesus was tired or weary from His journey. Not sure how a claim can be made that His Divine nature was not weary or tired, as the verse is silent on the subject and arguments from silence of nonsense.

Jesus incarnate laid aside some of His Divine attributes, as documented repeatedly in scripture.

Mark 13:32
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

The Father alone, rules out that the Divine nature of Jesus actually knew the time of His return.

Likewise, John 4:6 says Jesus was tired or weary from His journey. Not sure how a claim can be made that His Divine nature was not weary or tired, as the verse is silent on the subject and arguments from silence of nonsense.

Jesus incarnate laid aside some of His Divine attributes, as documented repeatedly in scripture.

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IMO, God canot lay aside His attributes. Mal 3:6. see Grudem, Hodge, Shedd etc.

 

[SATS PROF]

He does not set them aside.

He never changes, but he does not exercise those attributes.

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John 14:12, I will do it; 21:17, You know all things.

Calvin, "another absurdity which they obtrude upon us viz. that if the Word of God became incarnate, it must have been enclosed in the narrow tenement of an earthly body, is sheer petulance." (XIII;4 in Institutes.)

"The property of each nature being preserved" (Chalcedon)

"In all Christian creeds, therefore, it is declared that the two natures in Christ RETAIN, each its own properties and attributes" C. Hodge p. 389, ST, vol II.

Blessings, Bill

 

[Van]

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IMO, God canot lay aside His attributes. Mal 3:6. see Grudem, Hodge, Shedd etc.

Nice to know...
OTOH, some do not put God in a box unable to do as He pleases, such as lay aside some of His attributes per:

Philippians 2:5-7
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.
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