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Futurists take away and add to the prophecy, they take away it's TRUE meaning and add their own, which cannot be proved true or false, because hasn't happened and mostly never will. In Daniel 9, they take Messiah out of the prophecy and add the false christ, the antichrist.

 

Those who deny Revelation 20:1-15 it's 1000 years literally, not Futurists regarding that text as it reads.

 

Joe's bros. bowed to him when he was second-in-command to Pharaoh, & they hadn't yet recognized him. Symbolic prophecy always stands for something literal.

But in the Olivet Discourse, Jesus was prophesying LITERAL things, such as the destruction of J & the temple, & the then-coming state of many men, especially "having a FORM of godliness, but denying its POWER".

 

Actually, that's what PRETERISTS do. YOU'RE STILL DODGING MY QUESTION ABOUT JESUS' RETURN with pret "symbolism" (belief). Jesus said it; why can't you simply ACCEPT it?

 

Just ignore him. He's been answered, correctly, to these same old tiresome questions many times over the years and he just keeps repeating.

 

No, I have NOT been answered CORRECTLY about Matt. 24:29-31. except in the minds of prets who re-define Scripture to try to match their false doctrine. They try to act as if Jesus changed horses in mid-stream, going from literal to symbolic in the same breath. You can't TRUTHFULLY answer the question, so you fall back on the oldpret standby answer of "symbolism". Don't you realize you're trying to change the meanings of Jesus' very own words, which is a grievous SIN ?

 

What historical support does Futurism have? None. It can't do because it believes that it is all in the future saying that the book of Revelation doesn't concern the Christians but only the
Jews.

But the book was written to who? To the seven churches, representing the entire church through the ages.

Revelation 1:4-6 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The historical teaching has sustained and comforted the saints and martyrs throughout history. What martyrs has Futurism comforted? None because it can't. It says it doesn't concern you.

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who will not fear the Lord God hath spoken.

How many martyrs has the US had.? I know the Inquisition came to south and central America. There are photos of skeletons who were walled up alive in Mexico by the Inquisition in The City of the Seven Hills by Henry Grattan Guinness 1891. A history of Rome in the form of a poem, with expkaAvailable as a reprint on Amazon from about $12 for the paper back version. Or you may find a PDF to download.

 

What is a ponzi?

 

...never know for sure when dealing with ditsy dispies. Probably referring to a 'Ponzi Scheme', What ever, have no doubt it's derogatory towards anyone that differs from his skewed views....mainly us...

 

A view or interpretation is either Biblical or non-Biblical. Cite view as quoted and place side by side Scripture.

 

Some maybe but not all do. Revelation 14:13, ". . . And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. . . ."

 

UNHOLY MOTHER OF INTOLERANCE: THE INQUISITION

Issue Date: January/February 1984 (/battle-cry/article-listing?issue=1 -1984) by Avro Manhattan

If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?

Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or Stalin. Indeed it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic matters.

Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to strike should the opportunity present itself.

All her actions in past centuries speak of nothing else. Her main excuse for intolerance makes strange logic: She is specifically charged by God to save the souls of all Christians. Since the killing of souls was worse than the killing of bodies, she reasoned, and since heretics used their bodies to kill souls, their bodies should pay for the sins of the wicked souls they housed.

Thanks to this Catholic logic, soon the ecclesiastical and temporal machineries of the Western world were enriched with the noble practice of judicial torture, expressly employed by Holy Mother Church for the suppression of heresy, later known as Protestantism.

In 1252 Pope Innocent IV issued Bull AS EXTIRPANDA. It became the classic in inquisitorial procedure. It provides:

1. that anyone may seize a heretic and despoil him of his property;

2. that every magistrate shall appoint an inquisitorial commission, whose salaries are to be paid by the State;

3. that no law may be passed interfering with these Inquisitors;

4. that heretics who will not confess their heresy shall be tortured;

5. that the confiscated property of heretics shall be thus divided: one-third to the Inquisitors and the bishops, one-third to the city, and one-third to those who aided in the arrest and conviction.

Pope Innocent gave precise instructions to all Inquisitors to enforce the regulations throughout Europe. Eventually it was made Statute Law. The regular clergy proved reluctant, so the popes turned to the most fanatical, intolerant and narrow-minded section of the Church structure, the sundry monastic orders.

The two which excelled in their infamous task were the Dominicans and the Franciscans. Armed with practically unlimited power from the popes, these Inquisitors swarmed all over Europe like theological hornets, setting up tribunals wherever they appeared.

Soon individuals, communities, nations, and indeed, the very hierarchy trembled at the mere mention of their names. Wherever they came, denunciations, accusation, treachery, perjury, torture, woe, and death resulted.

The hooded Inquisitors did not content themselves with establishing their court in the sundry lands of Europe. Pope Gregory IX appointed a Dominican Grand Inquisitor for the whole of Armenia and Russia. Pope Urban VI ordered the General of the Dominicans to appoint Inquisitors for Armenia, Greece and Tartary (China).

Pope Nicholas IV asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to create Inquisitors from the mendicant friars in his land. Pope Gregory XI granted authority to the Franciscan Provincial in the Holy Land to act as Chief Inquisitor in Syria, Palestine and even Egypt.

When an Inquisitor arrived everybody was commanded, in obedience to the pope and to Mother Church, to disclose the name of anyone suspected of the slightest deviation from the Faith. The Inquisitors issued a compelling threat and a promise. A denouncer would get an indulgence of three years. Those avoiding their duty would be excommunicated.

Some denunciations were factual but many were concocted by vengeance, spite of jealousy. Those denounced, even on the flimsiest accusation or mere suspicion, would be arrested and flung directly into prison.

This usually was a common dungeon. Cold and damp, it lacked light or sanitation, and contained cut-throats, thieves, and the like. Among these the friars would plant spies to induce the accused, by pretended friendship, threats, or other methods, to admit his guilt.

If this first step proved insufficient, the suspected heretic would be chained with heavy irons and left to starve in a dark, foul hole called the durus carcer--"cruel prison." The accused was then brought before the inquisitorial tribunal composed of friars. If he asked the names of his accusers, he was told that only his judges had the right to know their names. He had no such right.

He was asked to confess to his guilt. If he pleaded innocence, he would be sent back to prison. On a second or third appearance before the Court, if he persisted he was put to torture. The whole purpose of his trial, of course, was to force a confession of heresy.

Torture was inflicted without solid proof of guilt. Two complainers or even one single accuser was sufficient for subjection to the agonies of torture, even if the accused man had, until then, been of unblemished character, pristine honesty and genuine piety.

The methods, kinds and degrees of torture were endless. The three basic ones employed were hoisting the man to the ceiling by his hands tied behind his back, breaking him on the rack, or greasing his feet and thrusting them into the fire.

If, following all the exquisite devices of torture, the heretic refused to recant or to admit his guilt, then the Inquisitors would pass capital sentence of heresy. Having done that, they would hand him over to the "secular arm," the civil authorities.

To complete the macabre farce, the Holy Inquisitors would ask these same temporal powers, in the name of the Church, not to kill the poor accused. This formality was a mere legalistic device to make the Church appear innocent of the blood which was about to be spilled—or rather, burned.

The civil authorities could not heed this hypocritical plea, however, lest the Holy Inquisition fall upon them. Refusal to burn the heretic would have placed the temporal authorities themselves on trial for their lives. For heresy, of course!

Soon no one was safe from potential arrest. The spying, denunciation, and hunting down of heretics reached cleric or lay, men or women, noble or common. No one was immune from the terrorizing omnipresence of the Holy Inquisition.

This reign of Catholic terror lasted for centuries. Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and yes, even children were murdered...burned alive at the stake. Simply because they dared to disagree with the Holy Catholic Church or with her popes.

This Catholic terror officially ended less than two hundred years ago. As recently as 1762 a Protestant pastor was condemned to death in France. Why? Simply because he was a Protestant! By whom? By the Catholic Church! Yes, by that same church which now pretends to love her "dear separated brethren."

Indeed, in Europe torture was still enforced by all the Tribunals of the Holy Inquisition until the last century, the pope being forced to abolish it only in 1816.

It was Napoleon, who entered Madrid in 1808, who was to abolish the Inquisition. When the Spanish Parliament in 1813 declared it incompatible with the Constitution

This was part of the great tribulation in Revelation chapter 7. Those martyrs washed their clothes and made them white in the blood in the lamb.

This was also the organisation that started the futurist teaching.

 

Yep.

Do it all the time. Not casting anymore of my pearls out there on this thread. We're putting together a group PM in order to have a friendly productive discussion. Enjoy your time with robyprophet. You seem to agree/like him a lot.

 

Matthew 23 31-36 nkjv Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. All those things did come upon that generation for filling up the the measure of their fathers.
Assuredly = Truthfully. All that did come upon that generation.
Matthew 24 :34 kjv Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jesus was speaking about the same event so th same applies. Are you calling the Lord a liar?

I have answered you a second time and I don't intend to go over it all again.

 

One of those who suffered under the Inquisition tribulation was John Brown a man of this town who was Lollard. He was going to London on a barge in the Thames when he sat on the flowing robes of a priest who objected. He said to the priest "I hear that you sing for souls, where do the go when you have sung for them?" The priest could not answer and recognised J..B. and got his agents to arrest him and he was taken to Wye and thrown into a pit known as the Lollards Hole.

His wife didn't know what had happened, but one day, someone rushed to tell her tha her husband was being brought back to Ashford. He was bound and had had his feet burnt to the bone by being stood on hot coals and made to walk to the place of his execution where he was burnt to death on the banks of the river Stour, which runs about 50 yards from here.

This is the organisation which invented your futurist teaching. Does anything good come from Rome? Has Rome Changed?

 

You JWs don't look at the scriptures except as you are programmed.

 

Revelation 10 is a graphic account of God's glorious Reformation.

 

Meaning?
Revelation 11:15, ". . . And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. . . ."