Isaiah 9:1-7, Christ's Kingdom: From Calvary to ... Forever

44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan 2

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Lu 1

 

A Question. Was the kingdom into set up at Pentecost or will it be set up when the Lord returns?

 

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Read Tom a little closer:

I posted this a few years back:

"34 Thou [Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon] sawest till that a stone [the Church] was cut out without hands, which smote the image [Rome] upon its feet that were of iron and clay, and brake [through the Christianized Germanic tribes] them in pieces [two feet, ten toes, Eastern and Western Holy Roman empires].
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and gold, broken in pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing-floors; and the wind carried them away, so that no place was found for them: and the stone [the Church] that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
39 And after thee [Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon] shall arise another kingdom [Medo-Persian] inferior to thee ; and another third kingdom [Greece] of brass , which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40 And the fourth kingdom [Rome] shall be strong as iron , forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things; and as iron that crusheth all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.
44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom [the Church] which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that a stone [the Church] was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake [through those Christianized Germanic tribes] in pieces [the Roman empire into ten horns] the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure." Dan 2

The Seven Heads

 

A recent example of that truth: The Sovereign Dispensations of God scroll down

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...to be fair, and not 'come in the back door' on him, @Piper

 

AMEN! Knowing vs. Feeling in Worship

 

Interesting ut I can't agree with that. The ten Germanic tribes succeeded the Roman Empire when Justinian abdicated in favour of Alaric. Theses tribes became part of the empire, and with them arose the papacy. The 10 tribes recognised the papacy as head of the church. Julius Caesar was head of the Roman Empire, and as priest was head of the pagan religion, and took the title of PONT MAX, supreme bridgebuilder. When Constantine became emperor he became emperor and head of the new state religion, christianised paganism.he also had the title PONT MAX.

Then the ten Germanic kings trotted along, and the Pope presented them with a forged document, the so called Donation of Constantine which purported to donate the title of head of the church to him. The popes then took the title of PONT MAX and succeeded the Emperors. Papal troops overthrew 3 of these tribes which became the papal states . I think this was the Exarchate. The papacy ruled this as dictator till 1870 when the Prussians attacked France and the French troops withdrew from Rome where they had protected the papacy. Victor Emanuel took all the papal states and United Italy.

The papacy for centuries ruled over the kings of Europe and crowned them. Even making one kneel and the Pope put the crown on his head with his feet.

He will rule till he is cast into the lake of fire. When Christ returns.

 

Yes, and the Baptist Historicist professor I'm quoting includes Anglos in those ten Germanic tribes, from post #16 in 'The Seven Heads' thread:

""A conservative, historical interpretation of the seven heads from 'A Brief Commentary On Revelation', by Edward H. Overby, A.B., B.D., D.D., then Professor at Lexington Baptist College (a sound conservative school which is now defunct, and sadly missed by many).

Excerpts:

Daniel 8, the Persian empire is represented as a ram with two horns which represented the Medes and Persians at the beginning of this empire. The horn of the Medes loses it's power in time and Persia really controls it all. The changes that brought this about are not explained in the vision, since it is not necessary to accomplish the Lord's purpose in the passage. The Lord explains only the beginning so that we can identify the Ram.”

"“In Daniel 8, the Grecian empire is represented by a he goat with one horn, Alexander the Great. When Alexander the Great dies the horn is broken and 4 horns take it's place. This is what happened at the beginning after Alexander's death. His empire was divided into 4 kingdoms, but this didn't last long. Soon it became 3 kingdoms, and there were many boundary changes. The Lord does not explain all these details, for it is not necessary. Still most Bible scholars readily see this is the Grecian empire regardless of the omissions of such details, especially since the Lord says the he goat is Greece.....”

“Daniel 8 can help us understand the 10 horns of the 7th head in Revelation 17. The 6th head was in John's day so it must be the Roman empire. The one that followed the fall of Rome was the Germanic tribes made up of 10 horns or kingdoms to begin with. Some secular historians list ten at the beginning of the power of the Germanic tribes in their history books. In reading these books it is obvious they know nothing about Revelation. They list 10 only because they found them in their historical research. Thes 10 changed soon and have greatly changed through the years in the number of governments, boundaries, etc. But the Bible indicates there were 10 to begin with and this is to help us idnetify this 7th head.”

Excerpts from Brother Overbey's book, 'A Brief Commentary On Daniel':

“The beasts representing the governments of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, (Rome is first ruled by the Caesars and then the Germanic tribes) have been presented describing them in a very general way......”

“The ten horns represent kings and their kingdoms which will take over the kingdom of Rome. Ten Germanic tribes did this. They were the Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Franks, Burgundians, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Alamanni, and the Lombards.”"

 

Some give different tribes. One is the Aluns, one of the three put down bt the papacy. There were only seven after that. Some writers try to say that over the centuries there has always been an average of ten, as some disappeared others emerged, but I think that is a bit of a thin interpretation. I think the fact that were ten when it divided, and the three, including the Aluns were rooted out by the papacy.

Apart from that, only part of the Saxons came to Briton. And some of those went to the US. There is still a Saxony in Germany.

Apart from that, although we (as well as north Amricans) are known as Anglo Saxons, there are also Britons, Norman's, Roman's included in our culture.

When Augustine was sent from Rome to "convert" Britain He brought Catholicism to the country. When spoken of in the media he is said to have brought christianity to the country, which if false. He brought Catholicism. It is said he Baptised 10,000 including the king of Kent in the river Swale, here in Kent, and another 10,000 in the River Swale in Yorkshire including the King of Northumbria. When he went further west and met the King of the Welsh, which were one of the Briton tribes, the Welsh king resisted his demand to convert so he murdered 1,000 of the Welsh.
Many Britons fled to France and their area is now called Brittany (Bretagne in French) they stiill have the Breton language similar to Welsh. They also have bagpipes which seem to be a Celtic instrument.

Sorry I have digressed. What I am saying is we are more than saxons, I missed out French and Dutch Huguenots. I have some of the latter in my ancestry. An interesting village here in Kent still has its French name the village sign reads le Ville de Sarre.

 

I believe the fact that the empire divided into 10and that 3 were ripped out fulfilled the prophecy and that Europe is the 10 but they will never stick together

 

Basil Atkinson in his books, The war with Satan and The Times of the Gentiles gives the 10 as :
1. Anglo Saxons
2. Bretons
3. Frank's
4. Burgundians
5. Alemanni
6. Visigoths
7. Suevi
8. Vandals
9. Basque
10 Italy.
I would take issue with 2 of these. Bretons and Italy.

The Bretons were Celts and Italy was divided with more than one. One missing was the Lombards.
He gives the three overthrown by the papacy were Lombards, Visivgoths, and the Suabi.

 

The Celts are interesting. There are 4 Celtic languages in the British isles. Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Scottish and in Europe there are Bretons. I'm not sure if there are any others in Europe.

There are many minority languages in Europe, Luxembourg has it's own language, Letzebergois or in German Letzemburgisch. In France there are ancient languages in most areas, Alsace has it's own germanic language but the Germans dont understand it.. The main ones are Langue d'oc, , Provence, and Langue d'oïl the northern part of France. These are based on the word they use for "yes" Oc and Oïl now spelt oui. We English usually pronounce that as wee, which is incorrect it is like oo-ee.

 

English is the most widely spoken Germanic language.

 

Sort of .

It has a lot of Latin, and French in it. A bit of a mixture really.

We have a lot of French words that began with esc. We drop the e and French drop the s. One is school, école in French.
There are a number of others. French words like Guardien(ne) Guardian, Warden in English. Guardrobe in French Wardrobe in English, Guarantie in French Guarantee and Warranty in English, Guerre in French War in English. Aréte Arrest in English old French Arrest, that is a few examples there are many more. There are also a lot of others. We also have a lot of Latin words, some we pronounce them as English and some the Latin way.

The accented é in many French word indicate that an s has been omitted. They probably didn't pronounce the s. Sometimes I believe it is just for pronunciation.
One French phrase we use is cul de sac, which is not used in French, they use impasse. It whoever taught the English that must have used it with tongue in cheek as it means bottom of the bag, but bottom in a not polite way.