Republican at a Prayer Breakfast Jokes About Her Shacking Up

[KenH]

On the other we have snowflake Christians.

If you want to call me a "snowflake Christian" for being offended by sinful behavior - regardless of whether it is sinful behavior done by myself or others - then go ahead.

 

[JonC]

Ephesians 5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise.

I agree.

And I agree with not answering a fool according to their folly.

I expect Trump to be crude, to curse, to insult. I am not offended. I expect politicians to say unChristian things. I am not offended.

If in question will identify when they are wrong. I have made such explanations in my church.

But they do not offend me. I am not a part of their world.

 

[KenH]

I wonder.....how many offended by this person making a crude joke while professing to be a Christian are also offended by Trump using crude language while professing to be a Christian.

I am offended by both, regardless of whether they are of God's elect or not.

 

[JonC]

If you want to snow me a "snowflake Christian" for being offended by sinful behavior - regardless of whether it is sinful behavior done by myself or others - then go ahead.

I am not showing you anything. Not sure what you mean here.

I am saying that Christians should not be offended do easily.

Look at how many Christians supported Trump regardless of his speech. Look at how many Christians suffered ridicule under other Christians for expressing how his language was sinful.

There is no reason to be offended. We were at one time that way. Christ changed us. But He did not save us to be offended by others who engage in our past behavior.

1 Corinthians 13:4–5 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,

 

[JonC]

well, I don’t have any specific memory of Paul preaching (not quite that old) but I do know the passage in scripture.

My point is that we cannot go beyond what scripture says when offering condemnation of actions. She says he’s her betrothed. Perhaps they consider themselves married already in the eyes of God.

It is simply unbiblical to claim it’s not “official” until they get a piece of paper from the state or a church.

But we can disagree on that and agree her comments were inappropriate.

peace to you

Well....in DC they could be considered married. In SC, they wouldn't.

The point, however, is that if a Christian is so offended by the world what does that say of the Christian who was one time a part of that world?

We should be offended by sin in our own life. We should be speaking out against sin in our congregation.

But if we are going to be offended by a crude joke a politician told at a political event then something is wrong.

 

[KenH]

I am not showing you anything. Not sure what you mean here.

Sorry, I meant to type "call", not "snow". I have edited it. Thanks.

I am saying that Christians should not be offended do easily.

I say that Christians should always be offended by sinful behavior - especially their own.

 

[JonC]

I am offended by both, regardless of whether they are of God's elect or not.

Then you will live a life of being offended.

I am grateful that Jesus did not live that way but had fellowship with sinners. He even died for sinners. And He saved me when I was a sinner.

 

[canadyjd]

So who decides what is a valid marriage? Do you think two people can just shack up and then when accused of fornicating just declare, "Oh, in our minds we are married?"…..

Biblically, when a man and a woman “knew” each other, they were considered married. Ceremonies are man made and came later. I am not opposed to ceremonies, however, there is no instruction in scripture and indeed, Jesus says “what God has joined together…” as opposed to what a man made ceremony has joined together.

If a man and a woman were living together and stated they believed they were married in God’s eyes, I wouldn’t think it was any of my business, and take them at their word.

I certainly wouldn’t declare their union “invalid” and accuse them of fornicating.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

[KenH]

Then you will live a life of being offended.

I hope so, but I am that I do not live up to the example of Lot:

2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (for that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds).

 

[canadyjd]

….

I say that Christians should always be offended by sinful behavior - especially their own.

I agree. Jesus said Blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness.

We also told that each person must be convinced in the own minds concerning whether the behavior is appropriate.

It is a matter of church discipline with the church she attends. We should let them handle it.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I agree here.

Christians will interact with sinners in the world, but we should not with Christians who openly sin. This is an important passage when dealing with our current cultural climate. We don't judge those outside the church but those within. And we exercise church discipline. Otherwise our churches stop being a witness.

 

[KenH]

If a man and a woman were living together and stated they believed they were married in God’s eyes, I wouldn’t think it was any of my business, and take them at their word.

Do you think they need to announce it before they start cohabitating, in that case?

 

[KenH]

We also told that each person must be convinced in the own minds concerning whether the behavior is appropriate.

Sexual relations between anyone other than between a man and woman who are married to each other is not appropriate, it is sinful, it is fornication.

 

[JonC]

I hope so, but I am that I do not live up to the example of Lot:

2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (for that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds).

I pray not.

We need to follow the example of Christ when dealing with the world.

He was not offended by the World, but came to save them from their sin. We should not be offended when politicians, comedians, actors, or others in the world tell crude jokes.

We should judge this in the church, but not in the world. Even in the church we are not to be offended (that is also translated "provoked"...and we are commanded not to be offended).

What makes the disobedience of a politician telling course jokes or living together out of marriage worse than the disobedience of a Christian on a Christian board disobeying 1 Corinthians 13 being offended?

This just does not make sense to me. We should guard against all sin. We should not engage with Christians living a sinful life. But how does reacting to sin with sin equate to any type of good?

 

[JonC]

Do you think they need to announce it before they start cohabitating, in that case?

If you mean legally, it depends on the state.

 

[KenH]

If you mean legally, it depends on the state.

I am not talking legalities, but what @canadyjd would require, if anything, in the situation he described.

 

[KenH]

I pray not.

I am not surprised as it seems like we disagree on pretty much everything theological.

Christ did not excuse sin before, during, or after His time living on this earth.

 

[canadyjd]

Do you think they need to announce it before they start cohabitating, in that case?

Should they? Yes. Have a celebration of God’s joining them together. Let everyone know.

Is there a biblical reference concerning announcing it beforehand? I can’t find it.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Sexual relations between anyone other than between a man and woman who are married to each other is not appropriate, it is sinful, it is fornication.

Ok, we agree

peace to you