Seeking God?

[Van]

Romans 3:10-12
as it is written:
“THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD;
THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”​

Romans 3:11 makes this statement and some read this as saying "there is none who seeks out God at any time." However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time,. Or, option three, "there is no one who seeks out God when sinning. Thus we are all under sin.
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.

Ask yourselves, what were they doing before they "turned aside?"
Ask yourselves does scripture teach the lost are able to give "good" gifts to their family?
Thus at any time is clearly precluded by the context as a viable interpretation.

Scripture has many examples of lost people seeking God such as the rich young ruler. Or many try to find the narrow way that leads to life.

The the premise that the lost never seek God unless enabled by irresistible grace is obviously invalid.

 

[37818]

Romans 3:11, ". . . There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. . . ." That's why God gives the instructions for us to proclaim His gospel.

 

[Marooncat79]

Romans 3:10-12
as it is written:
“THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD;
THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”​

Romans 3:11 makes this statement and some read this as saying "there is none who seeks out God at any time." However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time,. Or, option three, "there is no one who seeks out God when sinning. Thus we are all under sin.
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.

Ask yourselves, what were they doing before they "turned aside?"
Ask yourselves does scripture teach the lost are able to give "good" gifts to their family?
Thus at any time is clearly precluded by the context as a viable interpretation.

Scripture has many examples of lost people seeking God such as the rich young ruler. Or many try to find the narrow way that leads to life.

The the premise that the lost never seek God unless enabled by irresistible grace is obviously invalid.

How do you know?

there is no qualifier there that you seem to insist upon

You are adding to the Word of God

 

[Brightfame52]

Romans 3:10-12
as it is written:
“THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD;
THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”​

Romans 3:11 makes this statement and some read this as saying "there is none who seeks out God at any time." However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time,. Or, option three, "there is no one who seeks out God when sinning. Thus we are all under sin.
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.

Ask yourselves, what were they doing before they "turned aside?"
Ask yourselves does scripture teach the lost are able to give "good" gifts to their family?
Thus at any time is clearly precluded by the context as a viable interpretation.

Scripture has many examples of lost people seeking God such as the rich young ruler. Or many try to find the narrow way that leads to life.

The the premise that the lost never seek God unless enabled by irresistible grace is obviously invalid.

No man naturally, unregenerate seeks after the God not ever.

 

[37818]

Reasoning with the irrational?

 

[Dave G]

No man naturally, unregenerate seeks after the God not ever.

We may seek after a "God" of our own making, but the God as revealed in the Scriptures?
Not according to His word we do not.

We really are that bad, as a race.

 

[Van]

How do you know?

there is no qualifier there that you seem to insist upon

You are adding to the Word of God

The case is made, it is a lock. If minds are not changed, I have presented truth.

 

[Van]

No man naturally, unregenerate seeks after the God not ever.

I have made the case, nothing more needs said.

 

[Van]

Romans 3:11, ". . . There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. . . ." That's why God gives the instructions for us to proclaim His gospel.

I disagree, we are all under sin because none seek God when sinning, is the reason God gave His unique Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[canadyjd]

The case is made, it is a lock. If minds are not changed, I have presented truth.

The only thing presented is speculation based on biases.

….
However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time,. Or, option three, "there is no one who seeks out God when sinning. …..

Please notice the “might be” and the “option three”

Just anything other than what the passage specifically and plainly teaches, which some cannot accept because it is contrary to preconceived beliefs.

No truth has been presented. Only nonsensical reinterpretation.

Taint so! Full Stop!

peace to you

 

[Van]

The only thing presented is speculation based on biases.
Please notice the “might be” and the “option three”
Just anything other than what the passage specifically and plainly teaches, which some cannot accept because it is contrary to preconceived beliefs.
No truth has been presented. Only nonsensical reinterpretation.
Taint so! Full Stop!

peace to you

Here again is what was actually said:

Romans 3:10-12
as it is written:
“THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD;
THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT;
THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”

Romans 3:11 makes this statement and some read this as saying "there is none who seeks out God at any time." However the intended contextual message might be "there is none who seeks for God all the time,. Or, option three, "there is no one who seeks out God when sinning. Thus we are all under sin.
Contextually, since Paul is saying "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) our third choice is most likely the inspired message.

Ask yourselves, what were they doing before they "turned aside?"
Ask yourselves does scripture teach the lost are able to give "good" gifts to their family?
Thus at any time is clearly precluded by the context as a viable interpretation.

Scripture has many examples of lost people seeking God such as the rich young ruler. Or many try to find the narrow way that leads to life.

The the premise that the lost never seek God unless enabled by irresistible grace is obviously invalid.​

I asked questions which were not answered. Just the usual 'taint so".

 

[Van]

In Matthew 7, verses 7 to 12, Jesus teaches "crowds" that they can give "good gifts" so either we were not giving good gifts "all the time" rather than at any time, or we were not giving good gifts when we were sinning. No one doing good when sinning makes sense, whereas no one does good at any time is nonsensical.

Doctrine based on taking verses out of context is unsound.

 

[Van]

Does scripture teach the lost sought the God of the Bible, Yahweh? Yes, so the claim all were only seeking a god of their own invention is unstudied.

 

[Van]

Exodus 33:7 NASB
Now Moses used to take the tent and pitch it outside the camp, a good distance from the camp, and he called it the tent of meeting. And everyone who sought the LORD would go out to the tent of meeting which was outside the camp.
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In the NASB, when you see Lord all in CAPS, the actual term found in the Hebrew is a shorted form of Yahweh.

 

[Silverhair]

The only thing presented is speculation based on biases.

Please notice the “might be” and the “option three”

Just anything other than what the passage specifically and plainly teaches, which some cannot accept because it is contrary to preconceived beliefs.

No truth has been presented. Only nonsensical reinterpretation.

Taint so! Full Stop!

peace to you

These 10 verses Rom 3:9-18 are a forthright condemnation of fallen man. But they say nothing about man’s will or his ability or inability to receive the gospel when it is presented to him or whether he will or will not exercise faith and trust in Christ Jesus for his salvation.
It's simply a commentary on general human nature, how selfish and self-centered we are, how much we love our sin, how all humans are fallen, how we have no righteousness of our own to earn our salvation.
That no sinner naturally seeks after God is not to say that he cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him in the context of God’s enlightenment (John 1:9), conviction (John 16:8), and drawing (John 12:32) it's just that most choose not to.

 

[canadyjd]

Here again is what was actually said:….
I asked questions which were not answered. Just the usual 'taint so".

Here again is what was actually said…..

The case is made, it is a lock. If minds are not changed, I have presented truth.

Some do not understand the difference between asking questions and “presenting truth” or saying “maybe” translated such and such is presenting truth, or saying “options three” is somehow presenting truth.

The case has not been made. There is nothing to “lock”. Truth has not been presented. Only non biblical speculation has been presented, as usual.

Bottom line… the OP is yet another attempt to present alternative understandings of long accepted Christian doctrine to support pre-conceived bias toward God’s Word.

Taint so!! Full Stop!!

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

These 10 verses Rom 3:9-18 are a forthright condemnation of fallen man. But they say nothing about man’s will or his ability or inability to receive the gospel when it is presented to him or whether he will or will not exercise faith and trust in Christ Jesus for his salvation.
It's simply a commentary on general human nature, how selfish and self-centered we are, how much we love our sin, how all humans are fallen, how we have no righteousness of our own to earn our salvation.
That no sinner naturally seeks after God is not to say that he cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him in the context of God’s enlightenment (John 1:9), conviction (John 16:8), and drawing (John 12:32) it's just that most choose not to.

And so we disagree about the utter depravity of mankind. No debate will sway either of us.

I will leave the OP. Please carry on.

peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

And so we disagree about the utter depravity of mankind. No debate will sway either of us.

I will leave the OP. Please carry on.

peace to you

Did you actually take the time to look at Psalm 14:1-7? By looking at the psalm you will see that it is contrasting an unbelieving fool against the righteous who wait on God. When you read the citation in context you will see that it's not teaching total depravity

 

[canadyjd]

Did you actually take the time to look at Psalm 14:1-7? By looking at the psalm you will see that it is contrasting an unbelieving fool against the righteous who wait on God. When you read the citation in context you will see that it's not teaching total depravity

The OP is about Romans 3:11. Please do not derail this thread. Start another if you want to discuss Psalm 14.

peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

Here again is what was actually said…..

Some do not understand the difference between asking questions and “presenting truth” or saying “maybe” translated such and such is presenting truth, or saying “options three” is somehow presenting truth.

The case has not been made. There is nothing to “lock”. Truth has not been presented. Only non biblical speculation has been presented, as usual.

Bottom line… the OP is yet another attempt to present alternative understandings of long accepted Christian doctrine to support pre-conceived bias toward God’s Word.

Taint so!! Full Stop!!

peace to you

@canadyjd you are making the assumption that the calvinist view is the correct understanding of the text. That is your bias.