Translation Tools may take Jobs

[Van]

Here is a link to some of the jobs that may be lost due to AI replacing the artisan.

These 20 jobs are the most "exposed" to AI, ChatGPT, researchers say - CBS News​

Among the jobs threatened are:
a) Foreign language and literature teachers
b) Philosophy and religion teachers
c) Communications teachers

An interesting observation is that in the past technological displacement replaced low skill labor intensive jobs, i.e. data entry or delivery of ice blocks for pre-electric ice boxes, or oil lamp wick makers. Now, many of the jobs threatened are held by college grads.

So while AI may enhance Christ's ministry, helping us bring God's word into foreign languages, some engaged in outdated methodology may feel threatened.

But the bottom line is promising:

"...in some cases AI will replace workers, in others it will complement their skills and free them up to perform higher-level tasks that boost productivity...."​

 

[John of Japan]

Any attempt by AI programmers to replace any ministry represented by the CBS list will degrade the ministry. Why? Ministry involves mentoring and AI can't mentor.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The article does not break down the way the OP suggests.

People most likely to be displaced are those who will not or cannot adapt to using the new technology, and those who can do their job but cannot understand it, much like AI, which also can do but cannot understand.

From the article (boldface and underling added):

According to the researchers, the term "exposed" has a fairly broad definition, indicating professions may be impacted by AI in a number of ways, ranging from job loss to the inclusion of the technology to assist in some job functions.​

From the article (boldface and underling added):

AI researchers from Princeton, the University of Pennsylvania and New York University used the AI Occupational Exposure (AIOE) measure to determine jobs' and industries' "exposure" to advances in AI, leaving open the question of whether that exposure leads to augmentation or substitution. They isolated language modeling AI capabilities to hone in on its potential effects on the economy, given ChatGPT's rapid rise in utilization and popularity.​

 

[Van]

Any attempt by AI programmers to replace any ministry represented by the CBS list will degrade the ministry. Why? Ministry involves mentoring and AI can't mentor.

"Any ministry" was not defined. Did you mean anyone engaged in work helpful to Christ? Are you defining "any ministry" as only those that are "mentoring" by direct personal contact, such as in a classroom?"
Did you mean "AI programmers" or AI users, such as:

"...in some cases AI will replace workers, in others it will complement their skills and free them up to perform higher-level tasks that boost productivity...."​

???

 

[John of Japan]

"Any ministry" was not defined.

"Any ministry" means any ministry. Even a liberal pastor mentors. Professors mentor. Kindergarten teachers mentor. Pastors mentor, whether conservative or liberal. Bible translators mentor. Sunday school teachers mentor. Deacons mentor. Anyone involved in any ministry for the Lord Jesus Christ mentors.

The argument is exceedingly simple. AIs cannot mentor. Therefore AI will never be worthwhile in any ministry position. Oh, sure, maybe you can stick an AI program in place of someone who ministers, but it will not be successful, and will then be replaced by a human.

You do ministry, I know. Don't you mentor?

 

[Van]

"Any ministry" means any ministry. Even a liberal pastor mentors. Professors mentor. Kindergarten teachers mentor. Pastors mentor, whether conservative or liberal. Bible translators mentor. Sunday school teachers mentor. Deacons mentor. Anyone involved in any ministry for the Lord Jesus Christ mentors.

The argument is exceedingly simple. AIs cannot mentor. Therefore AI will never be worthwhile in any ministry position. Oh, sure, maybe you can stick an AI program in place of someone who ministers, but it will not be successful, and will then be replaced by a human.

You do ministry, I know. Don't you mentor?

Note, now this poster wants to claim I do not know what mentor means. Here again is what I said, the full statement:

"Any ministry" was not defined. Did you mean anyone engaged in work helpful to Christ? Are you defining "any ministry" as only those that are "mentoring" by direct personal contact, such as in a classroom?"
Did you mean "AI programmers" or AI users, such as:
"...in some cases AI will replace workers, in others it will complement their skills and free them up to perform higher-level tasks that boost productivity...."
???​

[/INDENT]
People reading an accurate translation of God's word are being "mentored." Thus AI can mentor in that respect.
Can AI help those in person to person ministry? Yes, thus mentoring in that respect.
Can AI help focus Christ's ministry, helping to eliminate ineffective programs and people? Yes, once again.

 

[John of Japan]

People reading an accurate translation of God's word are being "mentored." Thus AI can mentor in that respect.

Not an accurate description of mentoring. I'll go further. To claim that an AI can match the mentoring of the Holy Spirit that occurs when one reads an accurate translation of God's Word is extremely problematic. Yes, mentoring occurs when one reads the Bible, but it is the mentoring of the Holy Spirit. I think you just threw this out there casually without thinking it through, because I know you don't want to equate an AI program with the Holy Spirit.

Here is a much better definition of the verb "mentor" that leaves out any possibility of an AI program mentoring:

"verb
to help and give advice to a younger or less experienced person, especially in a job or at school"

Source: Cambridge Dictionary at mentor

There is no way on God's green earth that an AI program can fulfill this definition in any way, shape or form. Mentoring is a quintessential human activity.

 

[37818]

Question. Can real safety instructions and procedures be written to be placed into AI algorithms to warn against what would be bad or harmful conduct?

Even so, this would not negate @John of Japan's arguments on this matter.

 

[Van]

Not an accurate description of mentoring. Here is a much better one that leaves out any possibility of an AI program mentoring:

"verb
to help and give advice to a younger or less experienced person, especially in a job or at school"

Source: Cambridge Dictionary at mentor

There is no way on God's green earth that an AI program can fulfill this definition in any way, shape or form. Mentoring is a quintessential human activity.

Insults removed by moderator

Once again this poster wants to change the subject and quibble over the meaning of mentor. As if the subject was even debatable.

According to this definition, there is no such thing as mentoring books, such as the bible.

Mentoring is a biblical idea. Although the word "mentor" itself is never used in Scripture, the principles applied when using that terminology are found throughout the biblical text. We see numerous examples of mentoring relationships taking place throughout the Bible. In some cases, individuals were involved in multiple mentoring relationships. Sometimes mentoring happened on a one-to-one basis, and in other cases, mentoring took place in a group setting. However, the group was always small enough to listen to, and interact with, each individual. Jesus mentored 12, sometimes three and, on rare occasions, one.​

Thus a more understandable and accurate bible translation aids in mentoring disciples.

 

[Van]

Here is a link to some of the jobs that may be lost due to AI replacing the artisan.

These 20 jobs are the most "exposed" to AI, ChatGPT, researchers say - CBS News​

Among the jobs threatened are:
a) Foreign language and literature teachers
b) Philosophy and religion teachers
c) Communications teachers

An interesting observation is that in the past technological displacement replaced low skill labor intensive jobs, i.e. data entry or delivery of ice blocks for pre-electric ice boxes, or oil lamp wick makers. Now, many of the jobs threatened are held by college grads.

So while AI may enhance Christ's ministry, helping us bring God's word into foreign languages, some engaged in outdated methodology may feel threatened.

But the bottom line is promising:

"...in some cases AI will replace workers, in others it will complement their skills and free them up to perform higher-level tasks that boost productivity...."​

 

[Van]

If a lost person reads the Bible and it is accurate and understandable, then the mentoring of scripture is enhanced, helping to lead the person to Christ. If the translation contains too much arcane or ambiguous verbiage, then the mentoring of scripture is hindered.

 

[John of Japan]

Two comments:

1. Van refuses to admit the hideous error of equating an AI mentoring someone who reads a Bible translation with the mentoring of the Holy Spirit of someone. He thus denies John 14:26, which says, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

If Van had said that we can learn from an AI assisted translation, that would have been fine. But instead he said that AI can be a mentor to help us learn the Bible, and that, my friends, is replacing the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, with AI.

2. Van has once again taken to insulting me rather than answering my points. (Thank you to the moderator who deleted the insults.)

I'm out of here.

 

[Van]

Two comments:

1. Van refuses to admit the hideous error of equating an AI mentoring someone who reads a Bible translation with the mentoring of the Holy Spirit of someone. He thus denies
John 14:26, which says, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

2. Van has once again taken to insulting me rather than answering my points. (Thank you to the moderator deleted the insults.)

I'm out of here.

Once again JOJ posts addressing me personally. Does he provide a quote where I am supposedly equating AI mentoring someone with mentoring of the Holy Spirit? Nope. I equating the mentoring of scripture with mentoring, period. See post #11

Does John 14:26 say our indwelt Spirit, our Comforter, will bring "all things" to our memory so no born anew Christian will ever have loss of memory? Nope. The actual contextual idea is the Holy Spirit will bring all God wants to be remembered to the minds of His disciples, such that they will be His witnesses during their lifetime and via the New Testament during the age of grace.

 

[John of Japan]

Once again JOJ posts addressing me personally. Does he provide a quote where I am supposedly equating AI mentoring someone with mentoring of the Holy Spirit? Nope. I equating the mentoring of scripture with mentoring, period. See post #11

Here it is:

People reading an accurate translation of God's word are being "mentored." Thus AI can mentor in that respect.

 

[Van]

Here are a few verses from the "AIV" (Artificial Intelligence Version) of Romans 1.

1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh, 4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, 6 including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.​

And here are the same verses from the NKJV:

1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;​

The first difference is "set apart for the gospel is more clear than separated to the gospel.
Second being a descendant is more clear than being the seed.
Third by his resurrection is more clear than by the resurrection
Fourth, to bring about obedience of the faith is NOT as clear as obedience to the faith.
Fifth, neither for the sake of his name, nor or among all nations for His name is as clear as among all Gentiles for His mission and purpose.
Sixth, neither you who are called, or among whom you also are the called is as clear as you who have been brought into the kingdom.

 

[Van]

Here it is:

Again, absolutely no mention of the "mentoring of the Holy Spirit."

People reading an accurate translation of God's word are being "mentored." Thus AI can mentor in that respect.​

If a lost person reads the Bible and it is accurate and understandable, then the mentoring of scripture is enhanced, helping to lead the person to Christ. If the translation contains too much arcane or ambiguous verbiage, then the mentoring of scripture is hindered.

So the quality of the translation, rather than the leading of the Holy Spirit, is in view.

 

[Van]

Romans 1:1 NASB
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,

Why might AI choose bond-servant over servant or slave? Because our servitude to Christ was offered voluntarily
Why might AI choose Christ Jesus over Jesus Christ? It appears the choice is arbitrary.. For example see 1 Corinthians 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 1:1. Thus the order in the Greek seems best, and in this case Christ Jesus.
Why might AI choose "divinely selected" as an apostle over called to be an apostle? Called is used in scripture with three very different meanings, here designation is in view.
Why might AI choose set apart for the benefit of the gospel over set apart for the gospel. Because the purpose of the action is clarified.

Thus AI might translate our verse:
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, divinely selected as an apostle, set apart for the benefit of the gospel of God.

 

[Van]

From the internet:

Wycliffe notes the use of a word aligner — or, more simply, a word and phrase suggestion tool — a computer program that compares translated Scripture to its original language source. It reveals inconsistencies and suggests solutions to help people clearly understand, according to its website.​

Can you image what a program like "word aligner" do the random choices found say in the NIV? Clarity and transparency would be enhanced.