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Seeking God?

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Brightfame52

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Van said:
All true, but note not one of the citations support no one ever seeks God. And in light of the many verses saying some of the lost do seek God some of the time, the claim is nonsense. Did anyone say, without divine revelation, people naturally seek God? Nope, so not the effort to alter the point of dispute. However, give God's revelation, both general and special, some of the lost respond and seek God.
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No man naturally ever seeks God Rom 3:11
 
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Van

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I am standing on the Word of God,
And thus I am secure;
Though blows the tempest wild and hard,
’Twill evermore endure.​

An old song I used to sing, probably off key,
but I sang it loud and clear
knowing its about me...
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
You really have a problem with context I see.
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You have a problem with truth within the context of scripture truth. The natural man doesnt seek after God nor understand Him Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You have a problem with truth within the context of scripture truth. The natural man doesnt seek after God nor understand Him Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
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I do not have a problem with the truth of scripture but when you take verses out of context you distort what the author was trying to say.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
I do not have a problem with the truth of scripture but when you take verses out of context you distort what the author was trying to say.
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Then if you dont have a problem with it, you should believe that man naturally doesnt seek after God, nor understand Him, the True God that is, thats Gods own Testimony Rom 3:11

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

This was written in the OT scriptures Ps 14:2-3

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Then if you dont have a problem with it, you should believe that man naturally doesnt seek after God, nor understand Him, the True God that is, thats Gods own Testimony Rom 3:11

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

This was written in the OT scriptures Ps 14:2-3

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

BF remember context

Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
Rom 3:10 As it is written: "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS; THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD.
Rom 3:12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE; THEY HAVE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, NO, NOT ONE."
Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE PRACTICED DECEIT"; "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
Rom 3:14 "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS."
Rom 3:15 "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD;
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS;
Rom 3:17 AND THE WAY OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
Rom 3:18 "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."
Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Paul is telling the Jews that you are no better than the gentiles, look at your history. We can know that Paul is using hyperbole by looking at the whole text, see Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE PRACTICED DECEIT"; "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
You are being selective in your use of Paul's words.

But lets carry on with what Paul said

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

So we see that Paul, in this letter, has shown that the Gentiles are sinners and the Jews are also sinners and both need to trust in Christ Jesus for their salvation. So if God is the justifier of those that trust in His son then logically they can and some do seek God.

 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

BF remember context

Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
Rom 3:10 As it is written: "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS; THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD.
Rom 3:12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE; THEY HAVE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, NO, NOT ONE."
Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE PRACTICED DECEIT"; "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
Rom 3:14 "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS."
Rom 3:15 "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD;
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS;
Rom 3:17 AND THE WAY OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
Rom 3:18 "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."
Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Paul is telling the Jews that you are no better than the gentiles, look at your history. We can know that Paul is using hyperbole by looking at the whole text, see Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE PRACTICED DECEIT"; "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
You are being selective in your use of Paul's words.

But lets carry on with what Paul said

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

So we see that Paul, in this letter, has shown that the Gentiles are sinners and the Jews are also sinners and both need to trust in Christ Jesus for their salvation. So if God is the justifier of those that trust in His son then logically they can and some do seek God.
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I know the context, that's where I found out that no man[jew or gentile] naturally seeks after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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tyndale1946

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Silverhair said:
Can a dead man sin?
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Ephesians 2: 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Until God intervenes alone, that's his condition... Brother Glen:)
 
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