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Well, I read Job 38, again, and still didn’t see any mention of 7,000 years or 13,000 years. Perhaps you could narrow it down for me and point to the exact verses that mentions such time frames?

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Then why did you start a thread to engage in endless debate about when God created the earth?

By your own words , you are doing what Satan wants, duh!!!

You should ask the moderators to close your thread, duh!!!

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Where wast thou when I founded earth? Declare, if thou hast known understanding. Who placed its measures -- if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched out upon it a line? On what have its sockets been sunk? Or who hath cast its corner-stone? In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy, Job 38:4-7

What were the stars of morning singing about? Who were the stars of morning? When did this singing take place? Where did this singing take place?

Relative to above and relative to Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot, foreordained before the foundation of the world, to shed his precious blood;

When did time begin?

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come,

What is the measurement of the fulness of the time?

Is it relative to the fourth day?

 

Counting the generations is problematic. (A “generation” equals about 40 years) So you get 2000 years from Adam to the flood, 2000 years from the flood to Jesus, them 2000 years from Jesus to present.

Hebrew custom only included certain people in the genealogies. They are not intended to be exhaustive.It is impossible to get an accurate “guess” with this method.

Considering the population after the flood to Abram, starting with 4 couples (Noah and his sons and their wives) you must allow for enough time for large civilizations to develop in Babylon, and then Egypt (at a minimum). Remember Abram is about 1600 BCE, Moses is about 1100 BCE, King David is about 1000 BCE give or take.

That would obviously take more than a few hundred years to populate the earth even with women living hundreds of years and having dozens of children.

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Bottom line, you have stated the obvious that the time after the flood until the time of Abram is the period that is in question. We have a pretty good idea how much time has past since Abram.

How much time before the flood doesn’t matter as much as after. After the flood we must allow enough time for several large civilizations to develop in Babylon, Egypt, and others with several hundred thousand people each.

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My apologies @Van. I should never have attempted to engage you in an intelligent debate. I should know better by now.

Please continue whatever it is you are talking about without me.

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I do not want to speculate yet because Job 38 is in the OP I would like to ask;

Was the one called Satan [Adversary] among, the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy, of verse 7?

If yes was he at that moment the Adversary of God or did he become the Adversary later?

I believe this is important to speculate and or come to conclusion of if, "time,' passed between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.
Time being a hard word to use because of what would have been the measure of time.

I also say this because I believe the Word of God at least implies, man was created in the image of his creator, for the purpose of the Son of God being in the image of man, for the very purpose of the destruction of the devil, Satan [the Adversary] and his works, done before Gen 1:2 and until the return of Christ.

Consider just this one statement, Romans 16:20 YLT and the God of the peace shall bruise the Adversary under your feet quickly [or, in quickness]; the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen!

In quickness being, by the resurrection and or change from corruption to incorruption at his appearing. That will bruise the Adversary under their feet, ie they will be standing immortal.

I do believe from Adam to present has been about the fulness of six 1000 year periods. NO 7 is real close. IMHO It is about time to enter, His rest.

 

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to
   
   
   1. the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ
      
      
      1. he incites apostasy from God and to sin

From Blue Letter Bible

The only reason I brought it up and also YLT translates as so.

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the one called Satan was at the moment of Gen 1:2 and was he at that moment Satan? Had he always been Satan? Does his actions have anything to do with the six day creation and the day of rest? Whnat about the creation of man, relative at all to the destruction of Satan and his works?

 

If you count the times the kings reigned and the Judges it was about 800 years between Jericho and Daniel. We know from Daniel it was between 500 and 600 years until Jesus. Israel was in Egypt 400 years. Between Abraham and Joseph was about 200 years.

So Israel had roughly 1400 years in the Promised Land. It has been 1993 years from the Cross. Abraham lived about 500 years after the Flood. It would have been about 2000 years from Abraham to Christ without going into Egypt. And God did say 400 years would be 4 generations.

"And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full."

Adam was not created on the day the Garden was planted.

The Garden was planted after the Day of the Lord that God called a Sabbath Day of rest.

Seth was born 130 years after Adam was placed in the Garden. So the Flood was about 1500 to 1600 years after Adam was placed in the Garden. Methuselah died the year of the Flood

"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah"

Methuselah lived 969 years. You just have to add up the years from when Seth was born until Methuselah was born and add 969 years.

If you want to to know the specific amount of years a Day of the Lord lasts, listen to Peter in 2 Peter 3. You don't need to remain in ignorance. Jesus gave the history of earth within the 10 Commandments. God told Israel to Remember the Sabbath Day. It was a Day of the Lord.

There were multiple generations during that first Day of the Lord. Unless you seperate Adam from those created on the 6th day, Adam was a son of God created on the 6th day. Adam was placed in the Garden after that first Day of the Lord. There was no sin and death in that first Day of the Lord. But no one Remembers the first Day of the Lord. Evidently not even Job. There have been almost 6 days since Adam disobeyed God. But that was not the first day. That was the beginning of the second day when Adam disobeyed. Sin was the punishment for 6 days, because that was all the time God spent creating earth. God took six days to create the earth then rested for a Lord's day. Then 30 years after God placed Adam in the Garden, Adam disobeyed God. Jesus was 30 years old when He obeyed God in baptism.

When Adam disobeyed, God punished the earth with 6 Lord's Days. Then there would be a Lord's Day of rest without sin and death.

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

God did not rest for 24 hours. God rested for 1,000 years and then planted the Garden of Eden. Then Adam was placed there 1,000 years after he was created. That is the length of a Lord's Day.

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

Generations are plural, the Day was singular. The time was 6 literal days plus 1,000 years, so to God a Day, and a few seconds.

For a thousand years nothing sprang up out of the ground wild nor domestic. Nothing died, and the seeds and fruit was what every other creature on land and sea ate. So there is no way to carbon date nor radio date the earth accurately. There was literally no evidence of death and decay for 1,000 years. Only after Adam disobeyed could time literally start when it comes to keeping an accurate date from decay. And no, if one could not convince anyone in Job's day what actually happened, no one would believe that 4,000 years later. God changes how such dating is controlled. At the time of the Flood God changed the days of humans from thousands of years to 120 years. Then again, that was changed in David's day to 70 or 80 years. So the rate of decay would be evident in the lifespans of humans themselves. According to humans life expectancy was only 35 to 40 years in the first century. Of course modern humans think that life keeps getting better and better since the beginning. God declares the total opposite.

 

The stars were created on the 4th day. No, Satan did not exist prior to current creation, nor in the first 24 hours.

No one had names on that first week. The heavenly host were called stars. Man was called man. Man was both male and female. It could be interpretated that a single human was both sexes. Later God separated the woman from the man Adam. But only Adam. Adam's offspring were born with a single sex, either a son or a daughter.

Later we find out the stars are also called angels. Later we find out man on the 6th day were called sons of God. Only created 48 hours apart. Within the first 144 hours. Basically at the same time, even by modern standards.