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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Aug 16, 2023.

  1. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
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    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18

    Do humans present themselves before the LORD?

    Your thoughts relative to the sons of god mentioned in Job 1:6?

    Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    From Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool:

    Was that true before the foundation of the world?
    Did the earth exist before the foundation of the world?
     
  2. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    You asked a question, I answered it, and now you ignore the answer and seek to derail the thread. Please start your own thread.
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Once again someone claims they know what scripture says they do not know, see Job 38. Was a "day" 24 hours in duration before the earth started spinning in the sunlight?

    It boils now to this, do we claim to know what we do not know, or do we control our need to be the "Bible answer man" and provide through speculation what is left unstated in scripture.
     
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    If you built a house in five days did the rooms exist a week later?

    Did the rooms exist when you laid the foundation?

    God built the entire world as we know it faster than some houses are built. You are quibbling that parts of existence could not happen from the very beginning?

    The verse never says the stars sang a week before creation. Nor did the sons of God shout a week before creation. The verse asks if you were there before creation. Or were you there at all the week of creation. You do realize how long 144 hours is, no? 6×24 is 144.

    The stars were created on the 4th day. The sons of God on the 6th day, they all were within hours of the foundation being laid.

    Do you think every last son of God partook in Adam's sin? Just because some never rebelled does not make them angels. When angels rebelled it did not make them human. They were immediately placed in chains of darkness until the 5th Trumpet sounds. Are they human when they leave the pit?

    Why would God punish all the sons of God when only one son of God disobeyed God? God did not punish all the angels when a third of them rebelled. We are not told how many sons of God were created on the 6th day, but they were men of renown by the time Noah was born thousands of years later. Noah did not get raptured to heaven, because he had to physically die and wait in Abraham's bosom. But the sons of God could have been raptured. Because later they presented themselves before God in some council over the affairs of Noah's offspring after the Flood. Otherwise this account of Job happened before the Flood, and it still would not matter. Not all the sons of God were involved in Adam's transgression. Adam would have been part of that council as representative of thousands living in the Garden of Eden as he was the forefather of them all. Except he disobeyed and had nothing to show as offspring other than Seth and those after Seth, through Noah.

    The sons of God had offspring just like Adam and Eve. How many offspring happen after 10 generations? The Hebrew offspring were only in Egypt 4 generations, and there were millions. Why would there not be billions after dozens of generations. It took awhile for Adam's offspring to build up. But the sons of God never had that problem. They multiplied and filled the earth. But that does not mean they all were wicked. Just the generations that were born around the time Noah was born. And Noah lived 500 years before Shem, Ham, and Jephath were born. You really think no one was born on the rest of the earth for 500 years? This is not speculation. This is just common sense about life on earth. And nothing was common about Adam and his bunch of sinners. The rest of the earth had sons of God doing what they were created to to do. Life went on even though every plant and animal life now died, and had to be replanted, and replenished or species would go extinct. Up until the point the sons of God started to procreate with Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Then things went downhill each generation getting more wicked than the previous one. God did not kill those men of renown. God killed the wicked. So if God raptures the church prior to the judgment of fire, why not rapture the sons of God prior to the Flood? Being the same as Noah's day goes both ways, no? The church is raptured just like the sons of God would have been raptured. That is just common sense.
     
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    And Job 38 is not the answer cause you never answered your own question.

    I know God's Word. Seems you are still stuck or stuck up on your own understanding.

    God hides the puzzles of life in His Word. Only the wise seek it out. The foolish claim it cannot happen. God did not give us Job 38 to go bury one's head in the sand and declare "It ain't so!" God gave us Job 38 because only God has the answers.
     
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    Spot on!!
     
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