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Study Question: Revelation 12:1-6 - Who is the Woman?

kyredneck

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It's not Hagar. Hagar is the tare. It's Sarah, the line of the Promise.

Yes, Sarah the freewoman gives birth to Isaac the child of promise. And we, like Isaac, are children of promise, born after the spirit.

23 Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.
24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now. Gal 4

5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.
17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus: Rev 12
 

Van

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SNIP
The woman is national Israel, or at least the remnant promised by God.

Hope that helps

peace to you
That view is not contextual. However, the women being a personification of the Holy Spirit fits surprisingly well with all the details contextually.
 

Van

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Mary is not the mother of God.
Assertions without evidence do not move the ball.
John 19:25
Now beside the cross of Jesus stood His mother, His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

Mary being the mother of God incarnate is inescapable. Of course she did not "create" that God, but Jesus, 100% human and 100% God called her "mother."
 

Van

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3 and a half years is a symbolic way of saying a shorter period of time, defined by God. It's not literal. It's apocalyptic language.
We certainly cannot rule out that illustration details in the book of Revelation may be symbolic rather than literal. But we certainly can disagree on just what the symbolism stands for. :)
 

Scarlett O.

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Assertions without evidence do not move the ball.
John 19:25
Now beside the cross of Jesus stood His mother, His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

Mary being the mother of God incarnate is inescapable. Of course she did not "create" that God, but Jesus, 100% human and 100% God called her "mother."

The Father is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God.Three-in-One.

Mary is the mother of Jesus on this earth. The mother of the Son.

Mary is NOT the mother of the Father or the mother of the Holy Spirit.

Ergo, Mary is not the mother of God.
 

canadyjd

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The Father is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God.Three-in-One.

Mary is the mother of Jesus on this earth. The mother of the Son.

Mary is NOT the mother of the Father or the mother of the Holy Spirit.

Ergo, Mary is not the mother of God.
As I understand it, the title “Mother of God” is part of the Catholic doctrine regarding Mary, the mother of Jesus. Part of that doctrine is Mary’s birth (immaculate conception without sin), and her position as “Co-redemptor” with Christ.

Referring to Mary as the mother of Jesus is biblical. Calling her the “Mother of God” is confusing, unbiblical and tends to lead to error.

It takes nothing away from her unique role in the birth of our Lord Jesus.

peace to you
 

taisto

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We certainly cannot rule out that illustration details in the book of Revelation may be symbolic rather than literal. But we certainly can disagree on just what the symbolism stands for. :)
Of course, which is why @Scarlett O. and I can agree to disagree on this issue. There is no change in redemption by God if we disagree on who the woman is in Revelation 12.
 

Scarlett O.

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As I understand it, the title “Mother of God” is part of the Catholic doctrine regarding Mary, the mother of Jesus. Part of that doctrine is Mary’s birth (immaculate conception without sin), and her position as “Co-redemptor” with Christ.

Referring to Mary as the mother of Jesus is biblical. Calling her the “Mother of God” is confusing, unbiblical and tends to lead to error.

It takes nothing away from her unique role in the birth of our Lord Jesus.

peace to you
Exactly. Thanks.
 

Michael Hollner

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Who is personified as the Women?

Is it the mother of God, Mary?

Is it the church, the bride of Christ?

Probably not.

Who, during End Times is taken out of the way for three and a half years? 2 Thessalonians 2:7

We have with the mid-trib holding the woman as the Laodicean Church and the man-child as the Bride of Christ.
I believe the Angel Michael is the restrainer.
Blessings....
[Part-12] The Woman and the Man-Child of Revelation 12 REVEALED in Bible Prophecy! - YouTube
 

taisto

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Van

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We have with the mid-trib holding the woman as the Laodicean Church and the man-child as the Bride of Christ.
I believe the Angel Michael is the restrainer.
Blessings....
[Part-12] The Woman and the Man-Child of Revelation 12 REVEALED in Bible Prophecy! - YouTube

Your video presents a view that my study found wanting.
First we agree, the Women is not Mary, nor the Nation of Israel, nor the church nor Jesus.

I disagree that Jesus was not given birth. Of course it was a virgin birth and Mary did not "create" God with us, but Jesus was certainly born of a women.

I disagree that the "woman" is the church, as I believe the Holy Spirit gave birth to the church, made up of those born anew spiritually.

I disagree that some professing Christians "did not pay the price." I think that indicates some sort of works is needed to be saved. But I might be reading too much into that phrasing.

I disagree that those who are saved as if escaping from a fire will not be raptured if the rapture occurs during their post salvation physical lives.

We agree that Rev. 12:5 refers to the child of the women, those born anew, will be caught us, raptured.

And in summary, we disagree that the "woman" is the "lukewarm church."
 

KenH

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The woman is the church.

"That woman symbolizes the Church (cf. Isaiah 50:1; Isaiah 54:1; Hosea 2:1; Ephesians 5:32). Scripture emphasizes the fact that the Church in both dispensations is one. It is one chosen people in Christ. It is one tent; one vineyard; one family—Abraham is the father of all believers whether they are circumcised or not—one olive tree; one elect race, royal priesthood, holy nation, people for God’s own possession; one beautiful bride; and in its consummation one new Jerusalem whose gates bear the names of the twelve tribes and whose foundations are inscribed with the names of the twelve apostles. (Cf. Isaiah 54; Amos 9:11; Matthew 21:33 ff.; Romans 11:15-24; Galatians 3:9-16, Galatians 3:29; Ephesians 2:11; 1 Peter 2:9 (cf. Exodus 19:5-6); Revelation 4:4; Revelation 21:12-14.)

- from William Hendriksen's More Than Conquerors
 

Van

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I see no rapture in Revelation 12. How does one see it in this passage?

The linked video from post #29 referred to Revelation 12:5 and the use of the word translated as "caught up."
Revelation 12:5 NASB
And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne.​

The "women's child" refers to those born anew.
 

taisto

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The linked video from post #29 referred to Revelation 12:5 and the use of the word translated as "caught up."
Revelation 12:5 NASB
And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne.​

The "women's child" refers to those born anew.
The child is Jesus, the Promised One who ascended to heaven in Acts 1.
The Woman is the Promise of the Redeemer (all the saints of old that longed to see the Redeemer and then, after Jesus went to heaven, all those who continue the line of the Redeemed.
There is no evidence for a church rapture in Revelation 12.
 

Van

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Matthew 1:23 NASB
“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN WILL BE PREGNANT AND GIVE BIRTH TO A SON, AND THEY SHALL NAME HIM IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

Mary is not, in my opinion the "woman" of Revelation 12:1, but she is the mother of God with us.
 

Van

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The child is Jesus, the Promised One who ascended to heaven in Acts 1.
The Woman is the Promise of the Redeemer (all the saints of old that longed to see the Redeemer and then, after Jesus went to heaven, all those who continue the line of the Redeemed.
If that makes sense to you fine. As I have explained, that view does not fit with scripture.

Since Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit, your view the women was "the promise of a redeemer" rather than the agent used, the Holy Spirit, seems possible but not probable. Matthew 1:18.

But is the woman's "Child" Jesus or the born anew members of His church or both? The church will be caught up to God. Certainly both came into being by the Holy Spirit. Note the convenient phrase "body of Christ" folds both into one.
 

taisto

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If that makes sense to you fine. As I have explained, that view does not fit with scripture.

Since Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit, your view the women was "the promise of a redeemer" rather than the agent used, the Holy Spirit, seems possible but not probable. Matthew 1:18.

But is the woman's "Child" Jesus or the born anew members of His church or both? The church will be caught up to God. Certainly both came into being by the Holy Spirit. Note the convenient phrase "body of Christ" folds both into one.
Well, the view I share has been most accepted view over the course of history, so it's not just my opinion.
 

Van

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Well, the view I share has been most accepted view over the course of history, so it's not just my opinion.
Good to know. Of course the views encountered by Jesus and advocated by the Pharisees were well accepted too. :)
 
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