Featured Is there biblical support for Lord ship salvation?

I don’t believe in sinless perfection this side of heaven.

Any righteousness that a Christian possesses comes when they are clothed in the righteousness of our Lord.

There is the expectation of pursuing righteousness in Christ. That our actions, even our thoughts, are aligned with the will of God.

It is a very high standard. I don’t think it is required come into a right relationship with God (saved), but rather the consequence of having God Holy Spirit indwelling, convicting of sin and truth as we walk in the works God has prepared for us.

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Christ told us to be fruit inspectors (Matt 7:20), though the context was being wary of false prophets. IMO, the problem is not being fruit inspectors but claiming to be botany professors.

 

I do not have a problem as what Dr. Stanley said is biblical Ephesians 1:13, Romans 10:9-10. But as you well know if a person believes they will repent or you could say it, if they repent it is because they believe. I think the real problem with Lordship salvation or easy-believism is that people take them to the extreme.

The bible is clear that it is through faith only that we are saved and then the easy-believism people say well since I am saved I can live like I want I got my ticket. The Lordship advocates add works to the mix as you have to live a certain way follow a set of rules. They are both wrong and both right.

As usual the truth is to be found not in the extremes but in the middle.We are saved by faith alone but because we are saved we will do good works. That is why I reject both views and just go with the biblical view.

 

I agree and it looks like the people on here seem to understand that. I think it was Martyn Lloyd-Jones who said once that if a preacher wasn't ever accused of antinomianism (fancy word for easy believism), then he wasn't preaching the gospel.

 

It is by grace we are saved. It is through faith we believe that God saved us. It is that faith, in perseverance that secures our salvation to eternal life.
Lordship is the effect of our faithful obedience to what we hear God telling us to do.

 

Some people choose Jesus ie they add Jesus to their lives and I would state right here that you cannot just add Jesus to your life… not without being born from above. others accept that they have been given new life, forgiven, therefore they submit… because they begin to see Jesus as their savior ie forgiven of sins, provided with new life. And because of this you as a new believer start to learn His ways, study, act differently… it’s a ‘chicken or egg’ thing. But it can’t be forced, manipulated, or used as ruler to measure someone’s sincerity. As I see it, Lordship Salvation is not submission to God, it’s a means to question a Christian’s sincerity… therefore it can and sometimes is used to weaponizing, evidence the Puritans eliminating people deemed witches while others were expelled from their religious community. Thankfully, Gods hand was even in this action because Roger Williams took that walk to Providence and helped start a religious Baptistic community ( clever Baptists ). Psalm 100:3 ​

 

Biblical "Easy Believism" is never
antinomianism. Romans 3:31, ". . . Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. . . ."

 

Nothing new under the sun.

16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?
17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Ecc 7

(says the man who wrote three books of the Bible, had 700 wives and 300 concubines, strayed off into idolatry, and died unrepentant)

 

Paul would probably agree with that.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid. Ro 6

 

Yeah. That's what makes it difficult. When you come right down to it, all judgment is committed to Jesus and he really is just handing out pardons. I'm pretty sure it was John R. Rice who was once told by someone he was making it sound too easy. His reply was that Jesus died to make it easy. But, the idea that you can be saved and then continue in sin always comes up. Paul was pointing out that in verse 1 above. It is an absurd idea and anyone who preaches that should be called out. MacArthur did that, with tons of references from everyone from Jesus and Paul to Spurgeon and H. Ironside. If you read MacArthur's book with an exacting theological critical review you probably can raise questions. But what I would like to know is how can people do that, without also recognizing the real problem he is addressing and not giving him some credit for that also.

 

It is easy but you want Salvation as man would have it with all its laws... Christ satisfied the law that we broke in Adam... Brethren still want to put up what they do to accept God in faith and their grace plus belief, to say look what did for the Lord... I'm saved because I accepted him, oh foolish man you are saved because he accepted you... Read scripture... He loved us before we first loved him... Eternal Salvation is God's business alone... You want your works Salvation you can have it... Its ALL Christ 100%... His Faith, his Sacrifice, his Work, and his Death alone by the shedding of his sinless precious blood that saved wretched sinners like us... I'm the recipient of my Salvation that I didn't deserve and their is NO way I participated... Brother Glen

 

No. It's just that we are saved from sin, not just from the penalty of sin. It is not a question of self righteousness, or self reformation prior to coming to Christ. That won't work. But the question is, even if God is 100% monergistic in saving you, does He work something in you that can be reliably looked at as a difference in you life. If you don't have the right to use your mind to examine yourself then answer me this. "How do you have the right to declare yourself saved and thus elect". You are basing that on something. If you say you base it on your faith is it not possible that your faith in in the fact that you think you have faith, and thus is a false, mental gyration? The fact is there is assurance in faith and self evaluation can become morbid introspection if you don't keep that in mind but the idea of self evaluation is scriptural and sound.

So there is a balance like was discussed above but still, it seems absurd that you can have reconciliation with God without wanting to begin acting like you are reconciled to God. There are people preaching that today and MacArthur called them out on it. I find the animosity against something so pervasively taught throughout most of Christian history scary and it even more scary when a lot of people seem to have no idea of what he was talking about.

There are people who are teaching that the above means that you don't ever need to change in any way or give up any sin you enjoy and can still be saved. The fact is, you can believe your statement 100% and still not say what I just said here. When you read Galatians chapter 3, keep reading and you get to Paul warning people not to take freedom from the law to mean that you continue in sin. "Be not deceived....." So you don't want to think that believing that salvation is all of God means you don't expect that God wants a holy life to be lived by us.

As a side note, the "easy believism" most of us in evangelical circles encounter come from the same people who insist that faith is a condition and the reason you are saved. There is a belief in Baptist circles that you decide whether you get saved or not but then, after that, you cannot lose this no matter what you do or believe. This is actually taught by the Free Grace Society. So, you have Monergist people taking issue with MacArthur as well as synergists. Monergism vs synergism is not the issue here, nor is whether faith is a "condition" and what does that mean exactly. The question is, did something happen when you got saved, no matter what your perception was of that event - and if not, can you bet your eternal soul on you still being OK with God?

 

Romans 10:8-11 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

 

Your right you did nothing except receive the offered gift through faith. God will only save those that trust in His Son.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,