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Jesus told the disciples that REMAINED that the flesh profits nothing, His words were spirit and life. Clearly not meant ti be taken literally.

There is no record in scripture of the early church uttering magic words to transform the bread and wine into the literal body and blood of our Lord Jesus. It is repeatedly referred to as a memorial recognizing the Lord’s sacrifice.

Apparently, you get your gold boarding pass when you ignore the words of our Lord Jesus and the clear teaching of scripture

Wonder where that plane is heading?

peace to you

 

No, Jesus was saying that only by spiritual faith granted by The Father could people believe His words. Human reasoning/ the flesh prophets nothing.

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

That’s why Jesus literal words are “silly” / “foolishness” to them.

“For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. “

That is why supernatural Faith is required, not human wisdom which profits nothing.

“This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.”

The Eucharist is the reality only discerned in the Spirit by Faith, human wisdom profits nothing.

We discern the Body and Blood by Faith, not by human wisdom, we recognise The Lord at the breaking of the Bread.

One man reads Jesus words in the Spirit by Faith and believes, another reads Jesus words in human wisdom, and does not believe.

“ My Flesh is food indeed, my Blood is drink indeed “

“ He who eats my Flesh, and drinks my Blood, abides in Me and I in him.”

“ This is my Body “

This is the reality discerned only in the Spirit by Faith.

 

You really need to sit down and read Hebrews. Do not impose or eisegete into the text, but exegete out of the text ie, let the text speak for itself.

 

How could they have eaten His Flesh and drank His blood when He was standing before them

magazine, it’s a figure of speech

 

Which of us is ignoring Jesus words?

“ My Flesh is real food and my Blood is real drink “

“ This is my Body “

“ This is the cup of my Blood “

Jesus own words and all of Scripture is the invitation sent out to attend this Great Feast of the New and Everlasting Covenant. Many down the ages make their excuses not to attend, ‘ perhaps it’s only a metaphorical feast, don’t need to show up ‘.
Some try to attend the Feast without the garment of Faith, they don’t believe Jesus words.

If people don’t believe by the Spirit in Faith, then it is foolishness to them, and will remain so.

 

“ How can this man give us his flesh to eat ?“

Forget the how. How is a question asked from human wisdom.

How profits nothing.

Faith in Jesus words granted by The Father carries and lifts a man far beyond human wisdom. Human wisdom can not believe Jesus.

Only later on at The Last Supper did Jesus show how His Body and Blood was to be eaten and drank. Until then, all they had was Jesus words.

The choice was, walk away. Believe, or betray.

 

“The flesh profits nothing….The words that I speak are spirit and life”

It takes supernatural Faith from the Father to understand scripture in context. Jesus was clearly stating His words were not to be taken literally.

Only through Faith given by God Holy Spirit can this truth be accepted in the inner man. The natural man will reject this truth and take His words literally because he cannot discern spiritual words. That is why so many disciples left Him.

“Do this, in remembrance of Me”

it takes supernatural discernment by God Holy Spirit to understand Jesus instituted an ordinance of remembrance to symbolically declare His death on a cross until He returns again.

The natural man will corrupt this memorial with man-made magic words, claiming each must literally eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ or they cannot receive God’s grace and forgiveness

The forgiveness freely granted to us by Faith in Jesus is corrupted by a ritual invented by man that gives these men control over who receives God’s grace. (But only in their minds, God’s grace is always freely given)

Only those who have received Faith from God will recognize this corruption and reject the man made doctrine.

peace to you

 

In fact, the celebration of Eucharist by the apostate Church of Rome, currently Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast of Rome et caterva, it is simply a satanic sorcery. Unfortunately, you being guided by the spirit of demons, the rulers of the Roman Catholic Church, so you prefer the cup of demons offered in the pagan religion of demons, followers of the Roman Catholic Church. The things which the pagans Gentiles offer are things of devils, not of God: and I would like that you should not have fellowship with devils.
The most important is to discern the difference between the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. The true Christians cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils; they cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. By the way, in these last times the religious structures of the former Church of Rome were/are infested of pedophiles.

You have spent enough time already living the way the pagans want you to live — in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, wild parties and forbidden idol-worship, that is, in abominable idolatries.

When Paul Apostle saw the idolatries and depravity of the Church of Rome, after Catholic Church, and later Roman Caholic Church, he - Paul Apostle, who oftentimes purposed to go unto the Church of Rome, but was prevented - he warned by written the Church of the consequences of their idolatries, that is, the wrath of GOD is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and nrighteousness of who hold the truth in unrighteousness; they knew GOD, but they were not glorifying Him as GOD, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible man, Who changed the Truth of GOD into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, they leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the Judgment of GOD, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them, as is writtem in Romans chapter one.

 

When did they first do so?
When was the first time that Jesus’ literal body and blood was literally eaten?

• It was not when Jesus said these things in John 6 … nobody ate anything … no Eucharist was given.
• It was not at the last supper when Jesus’ literal body was still intact and in front of their eyes holding the bread and wine … Jesus had not even been given a glorified body, yet.
• So when was the FIRST TIME? (and how can the times before the first time be literal?)

 

The Apostolic epistles refer to the Lord’s Supper as a memorial of Christ’s death on the cross. Nothing about literal flesh/literal blood.

Peace to you

 

Jesus was preparing the disciples to receive His Body and Blood at the Last Supper.

The preparation for the New and Everlasting Covenant Feast, is Belief by Faith. Faith is the Garment that fits a man worthy to attend this feast.

There is a connection between the events in John 6 and the Last Supper.

Jesus knew who did not believe and who it was that would betray Him. He called one of them a devil, He meant Judas.
Judas did not believe Jesus words that His Flesh was real food and Blood real drink.

When did Judas set out to betray Jesus, The Last Supper.

“As soon as Judas ate the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”

No one can attend this feast without a wedding garment, this is the Covenant exchange of persons, The wedding Feast of The Lamb and Church.
As with all Covenants there are certain blessings, but also certain curses.

That is why it is so important to believe Jesus literal words in John 6, because he that did not believe, betrayed.

 

You have got to see it in the context of Jewish culture. The Passover and the Eucharist Jesus established is not just a “ memorial “ meal as you would interpret it.

As Jewish sages have said “in each and every generation a person must see himself as if he came out of Egypt.” at the Passover.

The Passover and The Eucharistic sacrifice is made present to every generation.

 

I understand what you believe. It does not come from the text in context.

If you believe what Jesus said in John 6, “the flesh profits nothing, the words I speak are spirit and life”, then you must accept He never intended His words to be taken literally.

There is no place in scripture given where the ritual for transforming the bread and wine into flesh and blood (while still maintaining the appearance of bread and wine) occurs.

Personally, I believe corrupt priests invented the ritual by mimicking pagan rituals as a way to control their congregations. “Do as I say or you cannot have Christ flesh and blood in order to be saved”

We are not making progress in this conversation so I’m going to bow out

Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

 

The Apostle Paul referred to the Lord’s Supper as a memorial. Never does he refer to the bread and wine as literal flesh and blood, but rather says by observing the supper we proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

Additionally, Paul says he received his instructions about the Lord’s Supper directly from Jesus. If Jesus wanted us to believe the bread and wine were literal flesh and blood, He would told Paul that when He instructed him about the Lord’s Supper.

So, did Jesus forget to tell Paul about literal flesh and blood?…. Or did Paul forget that Jesus told him about literal flesh and blood?…. Or, did Paul ignore Jesus’s teaching on literal flesh and blood?

I don’t need to look at Jewish culture or pagan cultures or Egypt… all I have to do is believe what Jesus and Paul said about it.

Jesus said His words were spirit (not literal) and life. Paul said the Lord’s Supper is a memorial.

Again, we are repeating ourselves. Thanks for the conversation

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That text in no way says Jesus words were metaphorical. It says the human wisdom profits nothing , and only spiritual faith would believe.

 

Jesus and Paul were Jews, important to look at it in context.

 

Jesus said His words were spirit and life. Whatever else “spirit and life” may mean, it does not mean literal flesh and blood

At least Luther maintained there was a “spiritual” presence of flesh and blood, not literally. I disagree with Luther, but he is closer to the text than Catholic doctrine.

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Oh good grief, do you really think I don’t know Jesus and Paul were Jews?

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