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The Two Dwelling Places of God

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Oct 6, 2023.

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  1. KenH

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    "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones." Isaiah 57:15

    O what a mystery that God should have two dwelling-places! The "heaven of heavens" that "cannot contain him," and the humble, broken, and contrite heart! But in order that the Lord of heaven might have a place in which he could live and lodge, God gives to his people gifts and graces; for he cannot come and dwell in the carnal mind, in our rebellious nature, in a heart full of enmity and wickedness; he therefore makes a lodging-place for himself, a pavilion in which the King of glory dwells, the curtains of which are like the curtains of Solomon.

    His abode is that holy, divine nature which is communicated at regeneration— "the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness." Thus Christ dwells in the heart by faith; and is "in his people, the hope of glory." And this made Paul say, "I am crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

    This is the object of God's dealings—that the Lord God might dwell in his people; that there might be a union betwixt the Church and her covenant Head: "I in them, and thou in me, that they might be perfect in one." This is the unfolding of the grand enigma, the solution of the incomprehensible mystery, "God manifest in the flesh,"—that the Lord God might dwell in his people; "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people;" and thus glorify himself by filling their hearts with his grace and glory, as Solomon's temple was of old, and that they might enjoy him, and be with him when time shall be no more.

    This is the grand key to all the Lord's dealings with the soul, and all his mysterious leadings in providence,—that the Lord God might dwell in the hearts of his people here, and be eternally glorified in them in a brighter and a better world.

    - J.C. Philpot, Daily Portions, October 6
     
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    Gee, and I thought God was Omnipresent. :)
     
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    God is omnipresent and within being omnipresent He speaks with specificity as well.

    Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    (emphasis mine)
     
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    Since more than one born anew believer exists, and each one is indwelt, God has way more than two dwelling places. His eyes are everywhere.

    OP is nonsense.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with the OP. You can just being difficult and nitpicking, and have contributed nothing of substance to this thread.
     
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    It is not the Christian who is indwelling by the Spirit but the body of believers.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.!

    In each case ye and your are plural meaning that it is a body of people, but there is one body and one temple. And if that is not clear enough read on.

    Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:1
     
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    Folks, consider the content of the quoted post. Anything of substance or simply "against the person" bilge water?
    OP - The two dwelling places of God
    Scripture - God dwells in every born anew believer.
    Question is God everywhere, i.e. omnipresent?
     
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    Nonsense, completely false nonsense. Each saved individual is indwelt. We are in God and God is in us. And if anyone does not have the Spirit, he or she is not saved. See Romans 8:9
     
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    Not nonsense. Does Paul say "Your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit?" No, or does he say that "You are temples of the living God? No, there is just one temple just as there was one Jewish temple.
    Jesus said that where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there.
     
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    Great text! Thank you for bringing it to us. It reminds us that 'God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5, both quoting Proverbs 3:34). The word translated 'resists' is a very strong one, containing the meaning of setting oneself in battle array against someone. God wants us to be humble, so if we want to have fellowship with Him, we need to humble ourselves, which is a lesson that many on this board need to remember, including me. :Redface

    I gave a sermon on James 4:1-10 a few years ago: Drawing Near to God
     
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    Why not address the verse I cited? Romans 8:9!

    Romans 8:9 NASB
    However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. ​
     
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    1John 4:15
    Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.

    Note that the "him" in the phase God remains in him, is singular, not plural. The OP assertion is unbiblical nonsense.
     
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    Not nonsense. Does Paul say "Your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit?" No, or does he say that "Your bodies are temples"? Did he say that your bodies are temples of the living God? No.
    Jesus said Where two or three were gathered together in his name, he would be there.
     
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    The word You is plural. We have the spirit but the church is the temple of the living God.
     
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    Note I highlighted "anyone" in Red, yet the response ignored the singular form of that word. The grammatical construction equates being indwelt with "have the Spirit of Christ" thus according to scripture, we individually are indwelt. Thus we are not only in Christ, but Christ is in us individually. Our Helper or Paraclete.
     
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    I see the phrase, "we have the Spirit" but does that mean we are each individually indwelt?

    The answer from scripture (1 John 4:15) is we are each individually indwelt.

    Now is the body of Christ the exclusive temple or are those indwelt also thus the temple (dwelling place) of God?

    The answer from scripture we individually who are indwelt with the Spirit of Christ are thus the dwelling place or temple of God. See 1 John 4:15 where God remains in us individually.
     
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