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I’m glad that I don’t believe that, any of it.

 

I understand. I was born and raised Primitive Baptist. When I started reading the Bible daily, I pretty much rejected both Calvinism and Arminianism. I just believe Scripture as I read it.

Thank you very much for your kind words. And I personally am glad for anyone and everyone who is saved, whatever their ism is. It will all be made clear in Heaven.

 

I have a hard time believing your second sentence. Your incapacity to articulate the basic principles of either Calvinism or Arminianism make this hard to believe.

 

I am not a primitive Baptist. I agree with the 1689 London Baptist Confession, but I am not associated with primitive baptists. However, everyone who identifies with primitive Baptist, here, has a similar soteriology to Calvin (though they deny any connection to Calvin). I do not know if they would say there is no need to share the gospel, though I would consider such a view to be rebellion against Matthew 28 and the great commission.

 

Did you listen to the Michael Gowens sermon on the Primitive Baptist thread? he explains it extremely well.

 

An opinion not based in reality… you are acting like a Pharisee accusing Jesus habit of curing people on The Sabbath as sinful under their rules. Listen to the Michael Gowens sermon vs your criticisms… you might just learn something.

 

Whatever. I was in it before I was born and stayed there (had no choice) until I was old enough to make a choice. When back home, I still visit. They’re good folks.

 

Yes. I think of them as hypers, and also the most honest Calvinists. They firmly believe in election, so much so that if you are a muslim, hindu, or atheist, but if elected by God, you’re going to Heaven. They don’t believe in evangelism, their preachers don’t go to Bible school (probably a good thing), they don’t have Sunday School (again probably a good thing), they have closed communion (wine, not grape juice), they was feet, they don’t support their preachers (they do give them offerings), no musical instruments, not even a pitch-pipe, and of course no missionaries.

I refer to Hardshell PB’s. I recall, I think, they also call themselves “Absoluters”. It’s strange to most of us, but they are good folks and I have no doubt they love the Lord, and I am NOT putting them down. It’s what they have been taught.

There are modern groups that are not that strict, such as some black congregations.

 

When you say this, below, I believe that covers the subject.

They were in sin when He found them and He leaves them in it.

No activity of predestination needed.

Rather, everybody is lost in sin and no one has anything to recommend them to God above anyone else. And so from this mass of fallen humanity, God chooses to redeem some and leave others.

I believe that they are left. Negatively

No 'decision', or 'ordaining' required. Not in a positive effort. See blue below.

I see what you are saying and that you believe it's just automatic to assume, "by definition", however, I don't believe there any need to go there.

Try, "negative reprobation" and as a Decree, "Preterition".

"Supralapsarian scheme: which considers the objects of election
and reprobation as men either already created, but not fallen, or to be created,
and in the pure mass of creatureship, but not as men not yet considered,
whether they should be created or no.

"Besides, he confounds, as these men usually do,
the decree of negative with positive reprobation,
or the decree of preterition with that of damnation;

"whereas the Supralapsarians, though they think men
were not considered as sinners in the act of preterition, or passing by some,
when others were chosen;

"yet they always suppose men to be considered as sinners
in the decree of damnation, and that God appointed none but sinners,
and no man but for sin, to everlasting torments;
and where is the cruelty of this doctrine?"

 

Yes, they indeed are.

 

An observation is not an accusation. Take a look in the mirror.

 

Cute… your the Pharisee around here, not I.

 

Well, you got this correct:
"we will spend eternity with each other."

 

Well not Calvinistic anyhow.