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Son Of Man

tyndale1946

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He was born in the form of sinful flesh. That's, again, a major point of Scripture. He who knew no sin was made sin for us. It does not mean He sinned, but He came in the form of sinful flesh. He was the Son of Adam. This is the only way children of Adam, also in the form of sinful flesh....but who sinned....could be saved.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

It is my belief and I know its not Jon's because he said that the wrath of God was not on his Son... The scripture says he became sin for us... His Son took the wrath of God we deserved, he represented us, when our sins were laid on him on the cross... The same reason we are all guilty in Adam... He also is our federal head... We are all guilty in Adam and saved in Jesus Christ... Maybe will start a new one Jon.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Brother Glen:)

 

JonC

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Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

It is my belief and I know its not Jon's because he said that the wrath of God was not on his Son... The scripture says he became sin for us... His Son took the wrath of God we deserved, he represented us, when our sins were laid on him on the cross... The same reason we are all guilty in Adam... He also is our federal head... We are all guilty in Adam and saved in Jesus Christ... Maybe will start a new one Jon.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Brother Glen:)
We actually hold a very close view (although, obviously, very different as well).

It is my belief that Jesus suffered under the wages of sin, that He became sin for us, He took the wages of sin we deserved, he represented us, and God laid our sins upon Him.

I agree that the reason we are all guilty in Adam is the reason we are not condemned in Christ (federal headship).

I realize the difference between us is large, but the processes are very similar. And none are so large as to alienate us from one another in Christ.

I'd have no problem worshipping with you. I'd even wash your feet. But I wouldn't clip those toe nails. :Biggrin
 

Deacon

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The Hebrew phrase, (translated into English as “Son of Man”) is translated by the NT authors into Greek quite literally.

Can anyone find a verse where the Greek translation of the Hebrew was not directly translated?

I think it is easy to understand the phrase’s connection with humanity in general, it’s something a beginner could pick up (although some here seem to have a hard time with even simple stuff).

The phrase was frequently used by Jesus to describe himself. That’s the problem with simply translating it “humanity” or “humankind”. Occasionally there is a double meaning, using the wrong meaning would lead one into an improper interpretation.

Rob
 

MrW

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Do you guys seriously believe Joseph was the father of the Lord Jesus? If Adam is the ultimate father of the Lord Jesus, then Joseph had to be the Lord's father. I shudder to even ask the question.

Joseph's lineage traces all the way back to Adam, for Adam is the father of the entire human race--except for the Lord Jesus!

Every human is a sinner-born, except for the Lord Jesus! Why? Because Adam is NOT the ancestor of the Lord Jesus!

Adam is the ancestor of Mary, but not the Lord Jesus, therefore He is NOT born a sinner, even though Mary was.

Sin passed from Adam to all his offspring, which is everyone who ever exists, except for the Lord Jesus. Genesis tells us Adam begot his children in his own image. Like one candle lights another, which lights another, which lights another, yet the original source of the flame is the first candle--that's Adam. His spirit lit every human ever born, except the Lord Jesus.

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth.

Adam was the first of a new race of being never before seen on Earth. That is why Christ is called the Second Adam and the Last Adam--because He is the firstborn from the dead, the first of a new race of being never before seen on Earth, and there will never be a Third.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Every child of Adam must die, for all are born sinners. All in Christ (born again saints) are made alive.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We are all born of Adam and sin has passed upon us all.
Christ is not born of Adam, but of God, and is no sinner.
Everyone is either in Adam or in Christ. All in Adam are doomed to the lake of fire.

All who are born again of the Spirit of God and the Word of God are in Christ, and eternal life is theirs, with Him, for His Spirit lights all their spirits.

Proverbs 20:27a
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
 

JonC

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Do you guys seriously believe Joseph was the father of the Lord Jesus?
The point is not that Joseph was not Jesus biological father. We all agree that He was born of a virgin.

The question is whether He really came in the form of sinful flesh.

Was Jesus really the Son of Man?

I believe the answer is "yes", otherwise He could not redeem man.
 

tyndale1946

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We actually hold a very close view (although, obviously, very different as well).

It is my belief that Jesus suffered under the wages of sin, that He became sin for us, He took the wages of sin we deserved, he represented us, and God laid our sins upon Him.

I agree that the reason we are all guilty in Adam is the reason we are not condemned in Christ (federal headship).

I realize the difference between us is large, but the processes are very similar. And none are so large as to alienate us from one another in Christ.

I'd have no problem worshipping with you. I'd even wash your feet. But I wouldn't clip those toe nails. :Biggrin

Cleanliness is next to godliness... We wash our feet before, before we wash feet... And no we are not Primitive Baptist pedicurist:eek:... So leave your toe nail clippers at home... We agree to disagree... Not here to change anyone's mind just to get them to think on it and as scripture goes:

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Brother Glen:)
 

JonC

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Cleanliness is next to godliness... We wash our feet before, before we wash feet... And no we are not Primitive Baptist pedicurist:eek:... So leave your toe nail clippers at home... We agree to disagree... Not here to change anyone's mind just to get them to think on it and as scripture goes:

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Brother Glen:)
I don't pre-wash my feet. :(

It is good to bring these topics up - not to change minds but to examine views and go back to the Bible. If anything these discussions point us to Scripture, even if we don't agree.

I'll not judge Another's servant as He will make them stand. But I will listen to what a brother has to say.
 

tyndale1946

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I don't pre-wash my feet. :(

It is good to bring these topics up - not to change minds but to examine views and go back to the Bible. If anything these discussions point us to Scripture, even if we don't agree.

I'll not judge Another's servant as He will make them stand. But I will listen to what a brother has to say.

Think of the Lord he had to wash 24 feet... Brother Glen:(

So tell us stinky... You do shower before you go to church?... Brother Glen:Biggrin
 

MrW

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The point is not that Joseph was not Jesus biological father. We all agree that He was born of a virgin.

The question is whether He really came in the form of sinful flesh.

Was Jesus really the Son of Man?

I believe the answer is "yes", otherwise He could not redeem man.

Son of man is a Messianic term.

Jesus is the son of Mary, but not of Joseph, and not of Adam. Had He been a child of Adam, the spirit from Adam would have been in Him, for Adam’s children are made in his image and Jesus would have been a sinner and unfit to redeem us.

WHY do you think He was born of a virgin? It is because if Adam was His father through Joseph, he would have been a sinner.

Why do you think He was called the Last Adam? It is because He is the first of a new race of being, never before seen on earth.
 
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tyndale1946

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Son of a man is a Messianic term.

Jesus is the son of Mary, but not of Joseph, and not of Adam. Had He been a child of Adam, the spirit from Adam would have been in Him, for Adam’s children are made in his image and Jesus would have been a sinner and unfit to redeem us.

WHY do you think He was born of a virgin?itit? It is because if Adam was His father through Joseph, he would have been a sinner.

Why do you think He was called the Last Adam, it is because He is the first of a new race of being, never before seen on earth.

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Brother Glen:)
 

RipponRedeaux

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I think it is easy to understand the phrase’s connection with humanity in general, it’s something a beginner could pick up (although some here seem to have a hard time with even simple stuff).

The phrase was frequently used by Jesus to describe himself. That’s the problem with simply translating it “humanity” or “humankind”. Occasionally there is a double meaning, using the wrong meaning would lead one into an improper interpretation.
Ezekiel was called himself son of man 90 times --never as 'the' the son of man.

A number of places in Psalms that term son of man is used to refer to humanity --Psalm 8:4-6 in a number of older translations, but not in most newer versions because it refers to humanity --not Christ who is The Son of man. Of course Hebrews 6:4 to 8 is directly tied into the Psalm 8 passage.

People need to distinguish between a Messianic reference and a mortal one.
 
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