Fables or Fiction concerning editions of the KJV

[Logos1560]

So, I am having Pastor Brent as my spokesman, today;

" The KJV has 3 editions, and the revisions were only spelling, punctuation and numbers.

Pick up a KJV Bible and know for certain that you are reading the unchanging, most consistent and most literal English translation we possess.

Many people, especially KJV-only advocates, seem to be uninformed or misinformed concerning editions of the KJV.

The claim of there being only 3 editions of the KJV and the claim of there being only seven editions of the KJV are not true.

The claim that all the revisions in editions of the KJV have been "only spelling, punctuation and numbers" is not true.

A claim that the English text in KJV editions has been unchanging [excluding spelling and punctuation] from 1611 until today would not be true.

It has not been soundly demonstrated that the KJV is "the most literal English translation we possess."

The 1862 Young's Literal Translation could be asserted to be more literal than the KJV.

The KJV is not actually a literal, every word, word-for-word English Bible translation of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages.

 

[Logos1560]

Alan, it seems that you do not practice what you preach since you do not demonstrate that you are teachable concerning actual verifiable facts concerning the many varying editions of the KJV.

 

[Logos1560]

From a wonderful article titled, "Why I am a King James Only".
Why I Am King James Only

In this article, Ken Matto claimed: "There have been no revisions of the King James Bible."

This article that you claim wonderful has a typical KJV-only fable that there have been no revisions of the KJV.

KJV-only author Lloyd Streeter asserted that "the King James Bible has never been revised," and he added: "It is a ruse to say it has been revised" (75 Problems, p. 54). In addition, Streeter claimed: “The KJV has remained exactly the same for nearly 250 years, and virtually the same for 350 years” (p. 55). Charles Perkins asserted: “The King James Bible has never been ‘revised.’ There have been some ‘Editions’ but not ‘Revisions’” (Flaming Torch, Jan./Feb./March, 2001, p. 14). Ed DeVries maintained that "none of the 'revisions' of the KJV between 1611 and 1769 resulted in the addition, subtraction, and or replacement of one word" (Divinely Inspired, p. 67). Roy Branson claimed that since 1611, "only typographical errors have been corrected, and a handful of insignificant editing adjustments made" (KJV 1611: Perfect, p. 5). Wally Beebe suggested that the KJV "hasn't changed in hundreds of years" (Church Bus News, April-June, 1997, pp. 2, 13). In an earlier issue of his publication, Beebe wrote: "The early revisions were not revisions at all, but instead were corrections. There were misspellings, typographical errors, type changes (from Gothic to Roman), and many other things that took several years to accomplish before the King James Version was in the beautiful and pure form it is in today" (Apr.-June, 1992, p. 9). David Reagan also stated: "The King James Version of 1611 has not been revised but only corrected" (KJV of 1611, pp. 14-15). Reagan asserted that “the King James Version we have today has not been revised but purified” (p. 18). Reagan maintained that “the changes from the 1611 edition that are admittedly textual are obviously printing errors because of the nature of these changes” (p. 10). Gail Riplinger also claimed: “There have never been any ‘revisions’ of the KJV text” (In Awe, p. 601).


The claims of no revision to the 1611 edition of the KJV are demonstrably and factually incorrect, as any careful examination of the facts would reveal. The 1828 Webster's Dictionary defined revision as "the act of reviewing; review; re-examination for correction; as the revision of a book." Roget's Thesaurus listed "revision" and "correction" as synonyms. Rodale’s Synonym Finder gave “revised or new edition” as a synonym for “revision” (p. 1036).

Since the English text of the 1611 edition needed to be corrected, changed, or improved, it can accurately and truthfully be said to have been revised. Therefore, the word "revision" can be accurately used concerning later editions of the KJV. In his “Editor’s Introduction” to The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible, David Norton observed that the 1769 KJV text and that of later editions “is not the translators’ text but has many readings changed according to the judgements of editors who had made it into a revised version: not a heavily revised version, but still a revised version” (p. viii). David Lawton asserted that “the copies of the King James Bible that we now possess are very different from the original production” (Faith, p. 78). Glenn Conjurske pointed out: “The King James Version itself has been subjected to a number of minor revisions since 1611” (Olde Paths, April, 1993, p. 85). William Paul claimed that the 1769 “Oxford Standard Edition” became “popularly known as “Blayney’s Revision of the King James Version (Oxford, 1769)” (English Language Bible, p. 32).

In that article, Ken Matto wrote: "What has been done in 1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769 have been spelling corrections, printing corrections, and some textual corrections."

This statement in effect contradicts his own claim that "there has been no revisions" of the KJV since the fact that any textual corrections have been made would be proof of revisions.

 

[Logos1560]

The 1920's or 1930's Cambridge KJV edition (which some KJV-only advocates call the pure edition) is not the most accurate in its uses of beside or besides.

In 1611, this may have been merely a spelling variation as the 1611 edition seems to use either form at random. In present day standard English, there is a distinction in meaning between beside and besides.

David Norton noted: "'Beside' has concrete, locative senses, 'by the side of' (TEXTUAL HISTORY OF THE KJB, p. 138).

Concerning Ruth 4:4 "there is none to redeem it beside thee, David Norton observed: "'beside' misleadingly suggests that there is no-one standing next to the kinsman who could redeem it, but the first edition's 'besides' gives the right sense, that there is no-other than the kinsman" ( p. 138).

Ruth 4:4 [besides--1560 Geneva]
besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1713, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1737, 1743, 1747, 1753, 1754, 1755, 1758, 1760, 1762, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1783, 1788, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1674, 1684, 1698, 1703, 1705, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1750, 1759, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1772, 1811, 1853, 1879 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1715, 1716, 1722, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1802, 1810, 1820, 1827, 1858 Edinburgh) (1860 Glasgow) (1722, 1762, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774 Bristol) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1776 Birmingham) (1776 Pasham) (1777 Wood) (1782 Aitken) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804, 1828 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1799 Helston) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1807 Johnson) (1810, 1813, 1818, 1826 Boston) (1810 Scott) (1816 Albany) (1816, 1848 Hartford) (1818 Holbrook) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1831, 1843, 1850, 1851, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1858, 1868, 1888, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1984, 1988, 2004, 2008 ABS) (1821, 1831 Brown) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1824, 1826 Bagster) (1832 PSE) (1832 Wilbur) (1835 Towar) (1836 Stebbing) (1840 Roby) (1841 Thomas) (1843, 1850, 1856 AFBS) (1845, 1854, 1876 Harding) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1876 Porter) (1910 Collins) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1948 WSE) (WMCRB) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard) (1853 Boothroyd)

beside (1765, 1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

 

[Logos1560]

Peter Ruckman wrote: “We recommend any edition of the AV (with any number of variations from any other edition)” (Bible Believers’ Bulletin, Sept., 1985, p. 3). In this same article, Ruckman commented: “In our group, we hold that ANY edition of the AV is reliable” (p. 2). In this article, Ruckman’s only stated exception from being an edition of the AV was the NKJV. Again concerning the KJV, Ruckman claimed that “any edition will do just fine” (Unknown Bible, pp. 1, 86). Ruckman referred to “any edition in any century” of the KJV (How to Teach the “Original” Greek, p. 119). Ruckman appealed to “a King James Bible (any edition from any year)“ (Difference in KJV Editions, pp. 9-10). Ruckman also referred to “a present copy of the AV, which anyone can buy anywhere” (p. 11). Ruckman claimed that “any edition of the AV (Edinburgh, London, Oxford, Nelson, Cambridge, New York, etc.) is vastly superior to the ‘originals’” (p. 18). Ruckman asserted: “The text of the AV in any edition is the text authorized by the Godhead, and it is the text that the Holy Spirit has continually stamped with His approval, in any edition” (Bible Babel, p. 92). Ruckman claimed: “You can find that word [the word of God] and those words [the words that God wants us to have] in ANY EDITION of an Authorized Version” (Biblical Scholarship, p. 414). In volume one of his commentary on the book of Psalms, Ruckman asserted: “We will leave every ‘jot and tittle: as it stands in the Authorized text” (p. vi).

Peter Ruckman maintained that "by 1852 every edition of the King James Bible on the market was the AV of 1611 as to the Greek New Testament it came from, and as to the English translation of that eclectic text. There are no insertions of ASV or NASV readings, or RSV, or NRSV readings anywhere in any edition. The readings that are exclusively 'Alexandrian' do no appear in any edition" (Differences in KJV Editions, pp. 3-4). Peter Ruckman claimed: “Not once (up to 1980) since the AV was published did it ever alter the wording of the verses in the English text to match any of the wording found in the Alexandrian manuscripts, or in any of their translations” (History of N. T. Church, II, p. 29).

Have KJV-only advocates examined the KJV edition that was published in London in 1841 or 1843 by C. A. Bartlett? Its title page has the following: The Holy Bible Containing the Authorized Version of the Old and New Testaments, with many thousand emendations [People's Edition]. It is another edition of the 1841 A. V. edited by J. T. Conquest whose title page stated that it had "twenty thousand emendations" (Darlow, Historical Catalogue, p. 356).

Does this 1841/1843 edition clearly refute Ruckman's statements about KJV editions? Alan Gross, is this 1841/1843 London edition of the KJV one of the three editions or revisions of the KJV?

A few examples of the emendations in this KJV edition include the following: “heavens“ in place of “heaven“ (Gen. 1:1), “food“ in place of “meat“ (Gen. 1:29), “spoke“ in place of “spake“ (Gen. 8:15), “Rodanim“ in place of “Dodanim“ (Gen. 10:4), “did try“ in place of “did tempt“ (Gen. 22:1), "waters" in place of "mules" (Gen. 36:24), “forgot“ in place of “forgat“ (Gen. 40:23), “they cut off the princes“ in place of “they digged down a wall“ (Gen. 49:6), "he prospered their households" in place of "he made them houses" (Exod. 1:21), "the prince of Midian" in place of "the priest of Midian" (Exod. 2:16), "his grand-daughter" in place of "his daughter" (Exod. 2:21), “copper“ in place of “brass“ (Deut. 8:9), “the widow‘s“ in place of “a widow‘s“ (Deut. 24:17), "unicorn" in place of "unicorns" (Deut. 33:17), “advanced in years“ in place of “stricken in years“ (Josh. 13:1), “its“ in place of “her“ (Josh. 21:30), "outlived" in place of "overlived" (Josh. 24:31), “fourth day“ in place of “seventh day“ (Jud. 14:15), "plough" in place of "ear" (1 Sam. 8:12), “Barak“ in place of “Bedan“ (1 Sam. 12:11), "three thousand chariots" in place of "thirty thousand chariots" (1 Sam. 13:5), “scribbled“ in place of “scrabbled“ (1 Sam. 21:13), “judges of Israel“ in place of “tribes of Israel“ (2 Sam. 7:7), “seven thousand horsemen“ in place of “seven hundred horsemen“ (2 Sam. 8:4), “Jerubbaal“ in place of “Jerubbesheth“ (2 Sam. 11:21), “after four years“ in place of “after forty years“ (2 Sam. 15:7), “three hundred“ in place of “eight hundred“ (2 Sam. 23:8), “Satan“ in place of “he“ (2 Sam. 24:1), “four thousand“ in place of “forty thousand“ (1 Kings 4:26), “it“ in place of “him“ (1 Kings 13:27), “daughter of Uriel of Gibeah“ in place of “daughter of Abishalom“ (1 Kings 15:10), “armour“ in place of “harness“ (1 Kings 20:11), “a bandage“ in place of “ashes“ (1 Kings 20:38), “pint of fried pulse“ in place of “cab of dove‘s dung“ (2 Kings 6:25), “Uzziah“ in place of “Azariah“ (2 Kings 15:1), “Harodite“ in place of “Harorite“ (1 Chron. 11:27), “put them to labour with saws“ in place of “cut them with saws“ (1 Chron. 20:3), “height was twenty“ in place of “height was an hundred and twenty“ (2 Chron. 3:4), “Jehoshaphat king of Judah“ in place of “Jehoshaphat king of Israel“ (2 Chron. 21:2), "twenty and two years old" in place of "forty and two years old" (2 Chron. 22:2), “Ahaz king of Judah“ in place of “Ahaz king of Israel“ (2 Chron. 28:19), "treasure" in place of "defence" (Job 22:25), “habitation“ in place of “island“ (Job 22:30), “lyre“ in place of “organ“ (Job 30:31), "ask" in place of "demand" (Job 42:4), "falsehood" in place of "leasing' (Ps. 5:6), "children" in place of "fruit" (Ps. 21:10), "My desolate soul" in place of "my darling" (Ps. 22:20), “boundaries“ in place of “pots“ (Ps. 68:13), “tears“ in place of “sore“ (Ps. 77:2), “helped“ in place of “holpen“ (Ps. 83:8), “prayer come before thee“ in place of “prayer prevent thee“ (Ps. 88:13), “waited“ in place of “prevented“ (Ps. 119:147), “grass“ in place of “hay“ (Prov. 27:25), "the mountain mice" in place of "the conies" (Prov. 30:26), “turpentine tree“ in place of “teil tree“ (Isa. 6:13), “wild goats“ in place of “satyrs“ (Isa. 13:21), “Edom“ in place of “Idumea“ (Isa. 34:5), “report“ in place of “bruit“ (Jer. 10:22), “disappointment“ in place of “a liar“ (Jer. 15:18), “Zedekiah“ in place of “Jehoiakim“ (Jer. 27:1), "the scribe's knife" in place of "a penknife" (Jer. 36:23), “destruction“ in place of “sabbaths“ (Lam. 1:7), “ornament” in place of “tire” (Ezek. 24:17), “a son of the gods“ in place of “the Son of God“ (Dan. 3:25), "great rage" in place of "choler" (Dan. 8:7), and “wormwood“ in place of “hemlock“ (Amos 6:12).

In the New Testament, it has “food“ in place of “meat“ (Matt. 3:4), "immediately" in place of "by and by" (Matt. 13:21), "the prophet Isaiah" in place of "the prophets" (Mark 1:2), “tablet“ in place of “writing table“ (Luke 1:63), “enrolled“ in place of “taxed“ (Luke 2:1), "their purification" in place of "her purification" (Luke 2:22), “honour“ in place of “worship“ (Luke 14:10), "concerning it" in place of "thereabout" (Luke 24:4), "gave thanks" in place of "blessed it" (Luke 24:30), "testimony" in place of "record" (John 1:19), "flock" in place of "fold" (John 10:16), "his office" in place of "his bishoprick" (Acts 1:21), "Passover" in place of "Easter" (Acts 12:4), “its own accord“ in place of “his own accord“ (Acts 12:10), "Holy Spirit" in place of "Holy Ghost" (Acts 13:52), "Simon Peter" in place of "Simeon" (Acts 15:14), "saith JEHOVAH" in place of "saith the Lord" (Acts 15:17), "robbers of temples" in place of "robbers of churches" (Acts 19:37), "church of the LORD God" in place of "the church of God" (Acts 20:28), “deaconess“ in place of “servant“ (Rom. 16:1), “love“ in place of “charity“ (1 Cor. 13:1), "behaviour" in place of "conversation" (Gal. 1:13), "By no means" in place of "God forbid" (Gal. 2:17), "fruit of the light" in place of "fruit of the Spirit" (Eph. 5:9), "plaited" in place of 'broided" (1 Tim. 2:9), "not quarrelsome" in place of "no striker" (1 Tim. 3:3), "evil spirits" in place of "devils" (1 Tim. 4:1), "descendants" in place of "nephews" (1 Tim. 5:4), "Joshua" in place of "Jesus" (Heb. 4:8), “holy furniture“ in place of “worldly sanctuary“ (Heb. 9:1), "confession of our hope" in place of "profession of our faith" (Heb. 10:23), "those who have presided over you" in place of "them which have the rule over you" (Heb. 13:7), “fervent“ in place of “effectual fervent“ (James 5:16), "cleansing" in place of "sprinkling" (1 Pet. 1:2), "chief" in place of "beginning" (Rev. 3:14), "living creature" in place of "beast" (Rev. 6:3), and "those who wash their garments" in place of "they that do his commandments" (Rev. 22:14).

 

[JD731]

The 1920's or 1930's Cambridge KJV edition (which some KJV-only advocates call the pure edition) is not the most accurate in its uses of beside or besides.

In 1611, this may have been merely a spelling variation as the 1611 edition seems to use either form at random. In present day standard English, there is a distinction in meaning between beside and besides.

David Norton noted: "'Beside' has concrete, locative senses, 'by the side of' (TEXTUAL HISTORY OF THE KJB, p. 138).

Concerning Ruth 4:4 "there is none to redeem it beside thee, David Norton observed: "'beside' misleadingly suggests that there is no-one standing next to the kinsman who could redeem it, but the first edition's 'besides' gives the right sense, that there is no-other than the kinsman" ( p. 138).

Ruth 4:4 [besides--1560 Geneva]
besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1713, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1737, 1743, 1747, 1753, 1754, 1755, 1758, 1760, 1762, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1783, 1788, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1674, 1684, 1698, 1703, 1705, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1750, 1759, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1772, 1811, 1853, 1879 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1715, 1716, 1722, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1802, 1810, 1820, 1827, 1858 Edinburgh) (1860 Glasgow) (1722, 1762, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774 Bristol) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1776 Birmingham) (1776 Pasham) (1777 Wood) (1782 Aitken) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804, 1828 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1799 Helston) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1807 Johnson) (1810, 1813, 1818, 1826 Boston) (1810 Scott) (1816 Albany) (1816, 1848 Hartford) (1818 Holbrook) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1831, 1843, 1850, 1851, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1858, 1868, 1888, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1984, 1988, 2004, 2008 ABS) (1821, 1831 Brown) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1824, 1826 Bagster) (1832 PSE) (1832 Wilbur) (1835 Towar) (1836 Stebbing) (1840 Roby) (1841 Thomas) (1843, 1850, 1856 AFBS) (1845, 1854, 1876 Harding) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1876 Porter) (1910 Collins) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1948 WSE) (WMCRB) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard) (1853 Boothroyd)

beside (1765, 1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

There is an important fact that you have not considered. that is the fact that God is perfect but men are not. Therefore we understand that publishers of the word of God are all imperfect men. God has not written anything during this dispensation. The last time I remember him writing anything was in John 8. I am betting that he wrote in Hebrew.

Therefore, God has given us a safegaurd for making a determination of what he really said and meant. How, you say? By comparison of words and phrases. It is really simple and when one wonders which word does God really want to show up in Ruth 4:4, the word "beside" or the word "besides." I checked it out and asked God about it and now I know that the word "beside' is correct. There may be KJV editions that has the wrong word here in this text simply because men cannot be trusted to get every detail right all the time. But a man can expect God to be right every time and so one must be conversant not only with the words and word of God, but also one must be conversant with his ways.

An example I can give you. I often quote the KJV from biblegateway website. However I know the publishers of both the AV and the KJV at that website are very unreliable in their presentation of the KJV and because of this I am very careful in quoting from there. So I quoted in the Baptist forum on the thread about Landmarkism. Here is my quote from biblegateway.

Ps 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S and the fulness thereof; the world (the globe), and they that dwell therein.

The word "Lord" above is the word "Jehovah." (3068 in Strong's )It should have appeared in all CAPS. It did not and so I changed it.

Now look at the next verses I quoted. They are wrong as well and I failed to correct them.

Psa 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.


17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.

For some reason God wanted the shortened form of Jehovah in these verses, Yahh (3050)

It is very important that these spellings appear correctly but if they don't we have a means in the KJV where we can be assured that we have it right. We can look at the word meanings, we can compare other places the word is used. and we can consider context. We are not drifting out here on this sea alone and we can even pray and ask God questions.

I had a KJV once that had several serious errors and I pitched it. Who does the publishing and the distribution is very important. There is a real devil out here and he has many helpers.

 

[Logos1560]

There is an important fact that you have not considered. that is the fact that God is perfect but men are not. Therefore we understand that publishers of the word of God are all imperfect men.

Your opinion is incorrect since I do consider and accept the fact that God is perfect, but men are not. You keep making false assertions as you try to put ideas in my mind or words in my mouth that are not what I believe and state. I nowhere deny that God is perfect and that men are not as you incorrectly suggest.

Just as publishers of the word of God are all imperfect men so are translators of the word of God all imperfect men. The Church of England makers of the KJV were imperfect men who made mistakes such as leaving some errors in the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible uncorrected in the 1611 edition of the KJV and who made mistakes in changing the pre-1611 word of God in 1611 in some places to be more favorable to their incorrect Church of England episcopal church government view.

The Scriptures do not state nor teach that post-NT translating of Scriptures was by a direct miracle of inspiration of God. The Scriptures do not teach that the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611.

James 2:9
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

James 3:16
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

 

[tyndale1946]

There is an important fact that you have not considered. that is the fact that God is perfect but men are not. Therefore we understand that publishers of the word of God are all imperfect men. God has not written anything during this dispensation. The last time I remember him writing anything was in John 8. I am betting that he wrote in Hebrew.

Therefore, God has given us a safegaurd for making a determination of what he really said and meant. How, you say? By comparison of words and phrases. It is really simple and when one wonders which word does God really want to show up in Ruth 4:4, the word "beside" or the word "besides." I checked it out and asked God about it and now I know that the word "beside' is correct. There may be KJV editions that has the wrong word here in this text simply because men cannot be trusted to get every detail right all the time. But a man can expect God to be right every time and so one must be conversant not only with the words and word of God, but also one must be conversant with his ways.

An example I can give you. I often quote the KJV from biblegateway website. However I know the publishers of both the AV and the KJV at that website are very unreliable in their presentation of the KJV and because of this I am very careful in quoting from there. So I quoted in the Baptist forum on the thread about Landmarkism. Here is my quote from biblegateway.

Ps 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S and the fulness thereof; the world (the globe), and they that dwell therein.

The word "Lord" above is the word "Jehovah." (3068 in Strong's )It should have appeared in all CAPS. It did not and so I changed it.

Now look at the next verses I quoted. They are wrong as well and I failed to correct them.

Psa 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.


17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.

For some reason God wanted the shortened form of Jehovah in these verses, Yahh (3050)

It is very important that these spellings appear correctly but if they don't we have a means in the KJV where we can be assured that we have it right. We can look at the word meanings, we can compare other places the word is used. and we can consider context. We are not drifting out here on this sea alone and we can even pray and ask God questions.

I had a KJV once that had several serious errors and I pitched it. Who does the publishing and the distribution is very important. There is a real devil out here and he has many helpers.

I started reading, studying and quoting the KJV at the age of 13... I'm now 77... It's NEVER let me down and I'll NEVER let it down... To me as the saying goes it's water off a ducks back... What I have found out over the years its not the big words that change the meaning of a text... Its the little ones... Brother Glen

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Logos1560]

The claim of there being only 3 editions of the KJV and the claim of there being only seven editions of the KJV are not true.

The claim that all the revisions in editions of the KJV have been "only spelling, punctuation and numbers" is not true.

The claim that there have been only 3 editions of the KJV is contradicted by many actual varying editions/revisions of the KJV. Two examples of editions/revisions of the KJV ignored or avoided by KJV-only advocates are the 1791 edition by Isaac Collins and the 1791 edition by Isaiah Thomas. Instead of merely following one earlier edition of the KJV 100%, these two men collated or had collated several editions of the KJV, and then they made their editing/revising decisions.

Paul Gutjahr maintained that the 1791 Collins edition “for decades was considered the most typographically accurate bible edition printed in America” (An American Bible, p. 90). Concerning it, John Wright wrote: “The Bible was printed with great care, as the proof-sheets were read over eleven times before the final impression was made” (Early Bibles of America, p. 90). Geddes MacGregor noted that in 1791 Collins “brought out a Bible notable for the accuracy of the printing” (Bible in the Making, p. 189). P. Marion Simms observed: “Collins took unusual care to prevent printer’s mistakes” (Bible in America, p. 130). David Daniell noted that Collins’ edition “became famous for its accuracy” and that “it was adopted as the standard of correctness by later printers, particularly by Mathew Carey” (Bible in English, p. 598). Geddes MacGregor agreed that Collins’ edition was “notable for the accuracy of its printing” (Literary History of the Bible, p. 218). Richard Hinson wrote: “Biblical scholars have long referred to the Collins Bible as one of the most correct editions” (American National Biography, Vol. 5, p. 248). Concerning the KJV edition of Collins, KJV-only author Doug Stauffer asserted: “This edition becomes famous for its amazing level of textual printing accuracy” (One Book One Authority, p. 683). Collins is said to have based his edition on the 1784 Oxford edition as compared also to the 1668 Cambridge edition by John Fields, the 1775 Edinburgh edition by Kincaid, and the 1772 London edition by Eyre and Strahan. Collins’ edition substituted an address “to the reader” by John Witherspoon (1722-1794) for the usual Dedication to King James. John Witherspoon was president of the College of Princeton and was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. A note at the end of the preface of Noah Webster’s 1833 Bible suggested that the text of Collins’ edition was “prepared for the press” by John Witherspoon (p. v). John Witherspoon, Samuel S. Smith, and James F. Armstrong were appointed by a Presbyterian General Assembly in 1789 to help “revise and correct the proof-sheets” for this edition. Robert R. Dearden maintained that “the Collins Bible received strong support from the Presbyterian General Assembly while being printed” (The Guiding Light, p. 277). Some Baptists and others were also said to be involved in reading and correcting the proof-sheets. The Philadelphia Baptist Association appointed a committee to inspect and read the proof-sheets of this edition being printed by Collins. Some of the Baptists on that committee may have been pastors Samuel Jones (1735-1814), Burgiss Allison (1753-1827), Benjamin Foster (1750-1798), and Oliver Hart (1723-1795). John Wright noted: “In deference to the Baptists some copies were printed without the Apocrypha and ‘Ostervald’s Notes’” (Early Bibles, p. 95).

The edition printed and edited by Isaiah Thomas (1750-1831) has been regarded by some as being the third KJV edition printed in America. David Daniell maintained that in 1791 Isaiah Thomas “printed the first folio Bible from an American press,” and he also printed a quarto edition that same year (Bible in English, p. 594). Renderings from a KJV edition printed in Worcester, Massachusetts, in 1791 are listed as “1791 Thomas.” In his introduction or preface, Isaiah Thomas stated: “The editor furnished himself with nearly thirty copies, printed at different times and places--from these he selected the most correct, by which to revise the whole of this work.” It is said that each sheet was examined by Rev. Aaron Bancroft and Rev. Samuel Austin and others, and was compared with at least eight different copies. Henry Barker wrote: “Every sheet was carefully examined by the clergymen of Worcester and others and was compared with eight different issues of the King James Version--six being from the University Presses of Oxford and Cambridge; one printed in 1626 by Norton and Bill, the owners of the King’s Printers’ Patent, and the remaining copy being dated 1637, from the Press of Cambridge University” (English Bible Versions, p. 258). Daniell noted that Thomas “had worked hard” to make the text of his editions “completely correct” (Bible in English, p. 595). P. Marion Simms asserted that “Thomas took unusual pains to secure a correct text” (Bible in America, p. 128). Robert R. Dearden maintained that “Thomas printed fine copies, the first Bible in folio size and the first Bible in quarto size in the English language in this country” (The Guiding Light, p. 279). Bradford Taliaferro wrote: “Thomas examined and compared 30 other editions as well as having this edition compared with eight others by clergymen and other qualified individuals” (Encyclopedia of English Language Bible Versions, p. 407).

It could be soundly asserted that the American KJV edition by Isaac Collins and the edition by Isaiah Thomas were as carefully edited and printed as the 1769 Oxford edition and other editions printed in England.

If these two editions had been carefully considered by printers at Oxford and Cambridge in the 1800’s, a number of printing errors in editions printed in England could have been removed many years earlier.

It is also interesting to note the fact that are a good number of differences between these two carefully prepared and proofread KJV editions printed the same year in America.

 

[JD731]

The Scriptures do not state nor teach that post-NT translating of Scriptures was by a direct miracle of inspiration of God. The Scriptures do not teach that the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611.

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Now that you have told me what it doesn't teach, tell me what it does teach.

 

[JD731]

I started reading, studying and quoting the KJV at the age of 13... I'm now 77... It's NEVER let me down and I'll NEVER let it down... To me as the saying goes it's water off a ducks back... What I have found out over the years its not the big words that change the meaning of a text... Its the little ones... Brother Glen

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You and I have an intellectual advantage over most who wander here; we can understand the text.

 

[Logos1560]

we can understand the text.

You fail to demonstrate that you understand correctly the text and rightly divide the word of truth since you read human, non-scriptural KJV-only opinions into it.

 

[Logos1560]

. It is really simple and when one wonders which word does God really want to show up in Ruth 4:4, the word "beside" or the word "besides." I checked it out and asked God about it and now I know that the word "beside' is correct. .

You do not demonstrate that "beside" is the correct word at Ruth 4:4.

David Norton noted: "'Beside' has concrete, locative senses, 'by the side of' (TEXTUAL HISTORY OF THE KJB, p. 138).

Concerning Ruth 4:4 "there is none to redeem it beside thee, David Norton observed: "'beside' misleadingly suggests that there is no-one standing next to the kinsman who could redeem it, but the first edition's 'besides' gives the right sense, that there is no-other than the kinsman" ( p. 138).

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary noted that an archaic meaning of beside is "besides" (p 81). Perhaps you choose to read an archaic meaning into your KJV edition's use of "beside."

 

[JD731]

You do not demonstrate that "beside" is the correct word at Ruth 4:4.

David Norton noted: "'Beside' has concrete, locative senses, 'by the side of' (TEXTUAL HISTORY OF THE KJB, p. 138).

Concerning Ruth 4:4 "there is none to redeem it beside thee, David Norton observed: "'beside' misleadingly suggests that there is no-one standing next to the kinsman who could redeem it, but the first edition's 'besides' gives the right sense, that there is no-other than the kinsman" ( p. 138).

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary noted that an archaic meaning of beside is "besides" (p 81). Perhaps you choose to read an archaic meaning into your KJV edition's use of "beside."

02108 זוּלָה‎ zuwlah [zoo-law’]
from 02107; n f/prep/conj; [BDB-265b] [{See TWOT on 537 @@ "537a" }]
AV-beside … 7, save 5, only 2, but me 1, but 1; 16
n f
1) a removal, a putting away
prep
2) except, besides, with the exception of, with removal of
conj
3) except that




Ru 4:4 And I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem it beside <02108> thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it.
2Sa 7:22 Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside <02108> thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears
1Ch 17:20 O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside <02108> thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
Isa 26:13 O LORD our God, other lords beside <02108> thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside <02108> me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside <02108> me.
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside <02108> thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

De 1:36 Save <02108> Caleb the son of Jephunneh; he shall see it, and to him will I give the land that he hath trodden upon, and to his children, because he hath wholly followed the LORD.
De 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only <02108> ye heard a voice.
Jos 11:13 But as for the cities that stood still in their strength, Israel burned none of them, save <02108> Hazor only; that did Joshua burn.
1Sa 21:9 And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save <02108> that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
.1Ki 3:18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save <02108> we two in the house.
2Ki 24:14 And he carried away all Jerusalem, and all the princes, and all the mighty men of valour, even ten thousand captives, and all the craftsmen and smiths: none remained, save <02108> the poorest sort of the people of the land.
Ps 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save <02108> our God?

1Ki 12:20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but <02108> the tribe of Judah only.
Ho 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me <02108>: for there is no saviour beside me.

A comparison with these other words will help you understand why the LORD wanted the translations to be as they are in the KJV. Look at these words which includes "besides."

Ge 19:12 And the men <0582> said <0559> (8799) unto Lot <03876>, Hast thou here <06311> any <04310> besides? son in law <02860>, and thy sons <01121>, and thy daughters <01323>, and whatsoever <0834> thou hast in the city <05892>, bring them out <03318> (8685) of this place <04725>:
Ge 46:26 All the souls <05315> that came <0935> (8802) with Jacob <03290> into Egypt <04714>, which came out <03318> (8802) of his loins <03409>, besides Jacob’s <03290> sons <01121>’ wives <0802>, all the souls <05315> were threescore <08346> and six <08337>;
Le 7:13 Besides the cakes <02471>, he shall offer <07126> (8686) for his offering <07133> leavened <02557> bread <03899> with the sacrifice <02077> of thanksgiving <08426> of his peace offerings <08002>.
1Ki 22:7 And Jehoshaphat <03092> said <0559> (8799), Is there not here a prophet <05030> of the LORD <03068> besides <05750>, that we might enquire <01875> (8799) of him?
2Ch 18:6 But Jehoshaphat <03092> said <0559> (8799), Is there not here a prophet <05030> of the LORD <03068> besides, that we might enquire <01875> (8799) of him?
Jer 36:32 Then took <03947> (8804) Jeremiah <03414> another <0312> roll <04039>, and gave <05414> (8799) it to Baruch <01263> the scribe <05608> (8802), the son <01121> of Neriah <05374>; who wrote <03789> (8799) therein from the mouth <06310> of Jeremiah <03414> all the words <01697> of the book <05612> which Jehoiakim <03079> king <04428> of Judah <03063> had burned <08313> (8804) in the fire <0784>: and there were added <03254> (8738) besides unto them many <07227> like <01992> words <01697>.
1Co 1:16 And <1161> I baptized <907> (5656) also <2532> the household <3624> of Stephanas <4734>: besides <3063>, I know <1492> (5758) not <3756> whether I baptized <907> (5656) any <1536> other <243>.
Phm 1:19 I <1473> Paul <3972> have written <1125> (5656) it with mine own <1699> hand <5495>, I <1473> will repay <661> (5692) it: albeit <3363> <0> I do <3004> <0> not <3363> say <3004> (5725) to thee <4671> how <3754> thou owest <4359> <0> unto me <3427> even <2532> thine own self <4572> besides <4359> (5719)

I am studying the scriptures and getting my understanding from them so that I might be approved of God.

Is that a bad thing in your eyes? Do you see what I mean by doing comparisons with words to ascertain the mind of God on a subject? Surely you can see what I see. This is really simple stuff.

 

[Logos1560]

02108 זוּלָה‎ zuwlah [zoo-law’]

A comparison with these other words will help you understand why the LORD wanted the translations to be as they are in the KJV.

The varying translation decisions in the many varying editions of the KJV did not proceed directly from the mouth of God.

Are you suggesting that the LORD did not want all the words that the makers of the KJV put in the 1611 edition? Are you suggesting that the 1611 edition had errors in it?

Genesis 26:1 [besides--1560 Geneva, 1568 & 1602 Bishops, NKJV]

besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1713, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1728, 1729, 1737, 1743, 1746, 1747, 1749, 1753, 1754, 1755, 1758, 1760, 1762, 1765, 1768, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1782, 1783, 1788, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1674, 1684, 1689, 1693, 1703, 1705, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1723, 1728, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1750, 1759, 1761, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1768, 1772, 1795, 1853, 1879 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1638, 1712, 1714, 1715, 1722, 1726, 1729, 1735, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1796, 1802, 1806, 1810, 1820, 1827, 1834, 1858 Edinburgh) (1860, 1866 Glasgow) (1722, 1741, 1743, 1762, 1801, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774 Bristol) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1776 Birmingham) (1776 Pasham) (1777 Wood) (1782 Aitken) (1784 Piguenit) (1785 Wilson) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1791, 1841 Thomas) (1799 Helston) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1803 Etheridge) (1807 Johnson) (1809, 1810, 1813, 1818, 1826, 1836 Boston) (1810, 1823, 1832, 1835, 1839 Scott) (1811 Hewlett) (1814 Woodward) (1815 Walpole) (1816 Albany) (1816 Mercein) (1818 Holbrook) (Clarke) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1831, 1838, 1840, 1843, 1850, 1851, 1868, 1881, 1888, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1984, 1988, 2004, 2008 ABS) (1821, 1831 Brown) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1824, 1826 Bagster) (1832 PSE) (1832 Wilbur) (1835 Jenks) (1835 Towar) (1836 Stebbing) (1839, 1845, 1854, 1857 Harding) (1840 Roby) (1843, 1850 AFBS) (1844, 1848 Hartford) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1855 Perry) (1857 More) (1873 Cooke) (1876 Porter) (1910 Collins) (1924 Hertel) (1945 World) (1948 WSE) (WMCRB) (1984 AMG) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard) (1853 Boothroyd)

beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [DKJB]

Leviticus 18:18
besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1728, 1747, 1749, 1753, 1754, 1758, 1762, 1765, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1773, 1774, 1776, 1778, 1782, 1783, 1784, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1684, 1705, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1723, 1728, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1750, 1759, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1768, 1772, 1853, 1879 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1638, 1714, 1715, 1716, 1722, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1769, 1787, 1791, 1793, 1802, 1806, 1810, 1820, 1827, 1834, 1858 Edinburgh) (1860, 1866 Glasgow) (1743, 1762, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1776 Birmingham) (1782 Aitken) (1790, 1804, 1828 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1799 Helston) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1807 Johnson) (1810, 1818, 1826 Boston) (1810, 1832, 1835 Scott) (1816 Albany) (1816 Mercein) (1818 Holbrook) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1843, 1851, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1858, 1868, 1888, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1984, 1988, 2004, 2008 ABS) (1821, 1831, 1859 Brown) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1826 Bagster) (1832 PSE) (1832 Wilbur) (1835 Towar) (1836, 1848 Hartford) (1836 Stebbing) (1840 Roby) (1841 Thomas) (1843 Robinson) (1845, 1854, 1876 Harding) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1850, 1856 AFBS) (1857 More) (1873 Cooke) (1876 Porter) (1910 Collins) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1948 WSE) (WMCRB) (1984 AMG) (1989, 1991 World) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)

beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [DKJB]


Numbers 6:21 [besides--1560 Geneva, 1568 & 1602 Bishops]

besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1728, 1746, 1747, 1749, 1753, 1754, 1758, 1760, 1762, 1765, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1774, 1776, 1778, 1783, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1683, 1743, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1684, 1698, 1703, 1705, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1723, 1728, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1750, 1759, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1768, 1772, 1853 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1638, 1715, 1716, 1722, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1802, 1806, 1810, 1820, 1827, 1834, 1858 Edinburgh) (1866 Glasgow) (1762, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1776 Birmingham) (1777 Wood) (1782 Aitken) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804, 1828 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1803 Etheridge) (1807 Johnson) (1810, 1818, 1826 Boston) (1810, 1832, 1835 Scott) (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1843, 1851, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1858, 1868, 1888, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1988, 2004, 2008 ABS) (1821, 1831, 1859 Brown) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1832 Wilbur) (1836, 1848 Hartford) (1841 Thomas) (1843, 1850 AFBS) (1843 Robinson) (1845, 1854, 1876 Harding) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1873 Cooke) (1876 Porter) (1910 Collins) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1948 WSE) (WMCRB) (1984 AMG) (1989 World) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1828 Alexander) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)

beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [DKJB]


Numbers 28:15 [besides--1560 Geneva, 1602 Bishops, NKJV]

besides (1675, 1679, 1681, 1709, 1715, 1720, 1722, 1728, 1729, 1746, 1747, 1754, 1760, 1762, 1765, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1774, 1776, 1778, 1783, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1657, 1660, 1672, 1684, 1693, 1698, 1703, 1706, 1711, 1712, 1723, 1728, 1730, 1735, 1741, 1743, 1747, 1759, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1768, 1772 London} (1755 Oxon) (1637, 1638, 1715, 1716, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1802, 1806, 1810, 1827 Edinburgh) (1743, 1762, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696, 1700 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1776 Birmingham) (1776 Pasham) (1777 Fortescu) (1782 Aitken) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804, 1828 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1803 Etheridge) (1807 Johnson) (1810, 1832, 1835 Scott) (1816 Albany) (1816, 1848 Hartford) (1818 Holbrook) (1818, 1819, 1827, 1829, 1843 ABS) (1826 Boston) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1831, 1859 Brown) (1832 Wilbur) (1840 Roby) (1841 Thomas) (1843, 1850 AFBS) (1845, 1854 Harding) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1873 Cooke) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1853 Boothroyd)

beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1683 Cambridge, DKJB] {1626 London}


Numbers 28:31 [besides--1560 Geneva, NKJV]

besides (1681, 1722, 1729, 1746, 1747, 1749, 1760, 1762, 1770 Oxford) [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638, 1648, 1743, 1760, 1761, 1762, 1763B, 1768, 1769, 1812, 1816, 1817, 1873, 2005, 2011 Cambridge] {1611, 1626, 1630, 1631, 1633, 1640, 1644, 1648, 1650, 1652, 1655, 1672, 1693, 1698, 1703, 1706, 1712, 1723, 1728, 1730, 1743, 1760, 1768, 1772 London} (1755 Oxon) (1715, 1716, 1729, 1751, 1756, 1769, 1787, 1791, 1793, 1806, 1827 Edinburgh) (1743, 1809 Dublin) (1645 Dutch) (1696 MP) (1746 Leipzig) (1774 Fortescu) (1776 Pasham) (1782 Aitken) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1790, 1804 MH) (1816, 1848 Hartford) (1818 Boston) (1821, 1859 Brown) (1823 Smith) (1826 Bagster) (1827, 1843 ABS) (1832 Wilbur) (1840 Roby) (1841 Thomas) (1846 Portland) (1848 IFB) (1850 AFBS) (1873 Cooke) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (TPB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1853 Boothroyd)

beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [DKJB]

 

[Logos1560]

Genesis 31:38 [see Deut. 2:7, 8:2, 8:4--these forty years; Gen. 31:43--these daughters; Gen. 27:36--these two times] [see Luke 15:29, Rom. 15:23--these many years] [see Gen. 41:35]

These twenty years (1709, 1713, 1722, 1737, 1743, 1749, 1753, 1755, 1760, 1762, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1783 Oxford) [1769, 1812, 1816, 1817 Cambridge] (1746 Leipzig) (1777 Wood) (1791 Thomas) (1810, 1813 Boston) (1815 Walpole) (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1835 Towar) (1854 Harding) (1828 Alexander) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard) (1853 Boothroyd) [NKJV]

This twentie years [1629, 1635, 1637, 1638 Cambridge]

This twenty years (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1743 Cambridge, DKJB]

 

[Alan Gross]

This is my fault.

I took you off "ignore". For some odd retarded reason

Just in time to hear you harping on the same old
one string c&p confetti gibberish banjo, on your knee.

This is my fault.

A claim that the English text in KJV editions has been unchanging [excluding spelling and punctuation] from 1611 until today would not be true.

When was the KJV "given by inspiration of God"? – 1611 … or any of the KJV major/minor revisions in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, and the last one in 1850?

The KJV was first published in 1611. However, there were revisions that followed soon after; all of which were completed by 1629. The revisions that occurred between 1611 and 1638 were due to printing errors.

The KJV translators themselves, namely, Samuel Ward and John Bois, corrected these errors. In the course of typesetting, the printers had inadvertently left out words or phrases; all such manifest typographical errors had been corrected.

For example, Ps 69:32 of the 1611 edition read "good" instead of "God."

This was clearly a printer’s error, and was corrected in 1617.

Apart from a slight revision in 1638, there followed several facetious attempts to revise the KJV between 1638-1762 but none were successful.

The final revision of the KJV was done between 1762 and 1769. The 1762 revision had to do with spelling. For example, old forms that had an "e" after verbs, and "u" instead of "v," and "f" for "s" were all standardised to conform to modern spelling.

For example, "feare" is "fear," "mooued" is "moved," and "euill" is "evil," and "alfo," is "also." All these Gothic and German spelling peculiarities have been Romanised. 1769 saw an updating of weights, measures, and coins.

This 1769 edition of the KJV is the one popularly in print today.

It is important to note that the 1769 edition is essentially the same as the 1611.

1850? Is this Hudson’s typo? There was an 1805 (not 50) edition which accidentally printed a proofreader’s note "to remain" in the text of Gal 4:29 that made the verse to read "him that was born after the Spirit to remain …."

The only significant revision in the 1800s was in 1873 when Scrivener worked on the KJV’s marginal notes, orthography, and cross references.

There are not two or more KJVs but only one, and the one that is used today is basically the 1769 edition.

Beyond that, I... don't...care...

The discrepancies between the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus manuscripts measure upwards of 3,000 differences between them, IN THE GOSPELS ALONE, and you know this and you have known it for years.

Take your irrelevant got-yah moments and insignificant idiosyncrasies you are able to brilliantly discover concerning your life work of going about seeking what edition of the KJV you can devourer and so, why don't you just cry about it, anyway?

Alan, it seems that you do not practice what you preach since you do not demonstrate that you are teachable concerning actual verifiable facts concerning the many varying editions of the KJV.

I remember saying "So, I am having Pastor Brent as my spokesman, today;"

I don't remember what all else that I quoted him for.

This infinitesimally gigantic big deal about "3 editions" vs you counting a bunch of other versions or revisions isn't exactly something I'm going to pee my pants over.

"The KJV has 3 editions, and the revisions were only spelling, punctuation and numbers.

"Pick up a KJV Bible and know for certain that you are reading the unchanging, most consistent and most literal English translation we possess."

Nor, am I the least bit concerned about the word "unchanging' there, as if you sink it in concrete and make it your life goal to give that some immovable rigidity, beyond the normal, every day boundaries inherit in the Doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture.

Just place his word "most" in front of "unchanging", instead of "consistent" so that that same intent applies to both of them and be happy.

The Scriptures do not state nor teach that post-NT translating of Scriptures was by a direct miracle of inspiration of God.

Ruckman did.

And you are a Charter Member Ruckmanite.

I wouldn't be surprised if I found out you'd married into his family.

For real.

The Scriptures do not teach that the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611.

Imagine if "the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group", for any and all of the modern versions, beginning with the R.V., on forward.

If we didn't have the KJV, as the seventh English version in the line of those editions of the Bible, where the Doctrine of Preservation hasn't been utterly abandoned, we wouldn't even have the Word of God.

New I started reading, studying and quoting the KJV at the age of 13... I'm now 77... It's NEVER let me down and I'll NEVER let it down...

Yeah, we have the Word of God Preserved in writing, within the bounds of God's Providence for any given word in it, to result in an infallible and sufficient Bible for all matters of faith and practice, since we know that it was a faithful translation effort, from reliable original language manuscripts.

It's a good thing we didn't have one produced from manuscripts reserviced from the Occult Underground. That might really be full of holes that'd keep ol' Logos up at night.

Yah, good thing.​

 

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This 1769 edition of the KJV is the one popularly in print today.

It is important to note that the 1769 edition is essentially the same as the 1611.

There are not two or more KJVs but only one, and the one that is used today is basically the 1769 edition.

The 1769 Oxford edition was reported to have over 100 errors in it. The 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV is not the one popularly in print today. There is a reprint edition of the 1769 Oxford edition that was made by the Bible Museum in 2007, but it is not the edition used by most readers of the KJV today.

The twenty or more present varying post-1900 editions of the KJV popularly in print today are not every word identical in their English words to the 1769 Oxford edition. As many as 400 differences can be found between a typical post-1900 KJV edition and the actual 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV.

Along with around 90 places where the 1769 Oxford would have "LORD" [Jehovah] while post-1900 editions would have "Lord" [Adonai] and along with several spelling differences, some other places where the 1769 Oxford would differ from most post-1900 KJV editions include the following Old Testament examples: “Heman” (Gen. 36:22), “thy progenitors” (Gen. 49:26), “Zithri” (Exod. 6:21), “travel’ (Num. 20:14), “brakedst” (Deut. 10:2), “thy tithe” (Deut. 12:17), “thy earth” (Deut. 12:19), “the widow’s” (Deut. 24:17), “Beer-sheba, Sheba” (Josh. 19:2), “children of Gilead” (Jud. 11:7), “all the coast” (Jud. 19:29), “in a straight“ (1 Sam. 13:6), “Shimei“ (1 Chron. 6:30), “whom God alone” (1 Chron. 29:1), “on the pillars” (2 Chron. 4:12), “thy companions’ (Job 41:6), “unto me“ (Ps. 18:47), “my foot” (Ps. 31:8), “feared” (Ps. 60:4), “in the presence” (Ps. 68:2), “part“ (Ps. 78:66), “When there were” (Ps. 105:12), “gates of iron” (Ps. 107:16), “the latter end” (Prov. 19:20), “riches, honour” (Prov. 22:4), “king of Jerusalem” (Eccl. 1:1), “gone to” (Isa. 15:2), “travel‘ (Lam. 3:5), “a brier” (Micah 7:4), and “mighty is spoiled” (Zech. 11:2). In the New Testament, examples include “And in the same” (Luke 7:21), “ye enter not” (Luke 11:52), “lifted“ (Luke 16:23), “and the truth” (John 14:6), “the names” (Acts 1:15), “Now if do” (Rom. 7:20), “not in unbelief” (Rom. 11:23), “the earth” (1 Cor. 4:13), “was done“ (2 Cor. 3:11), “about” (2 Cor. 12:2), “you were inferior” (2 Cor. 12:13), “those who” (Gal. 2:6), “the holy apostles” (Eph. 3:5), “broidered” (1 Tim. 2:9), “sprinkled likewise” (Heb. 9:21), “our joy” (1 John 1:4), and several missing words at Revelation 18:22.

The new error "Zithri" at Exodus 6:21 in the 1769 Oxford edition remained in most Cambridge and Oxford editions for over 100 years until the 1873 Cambridge corrected it.

 

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The only significant revision in the 1800s was in 1873 when Scrivener worked on the KJV’s marginal notes, orthography, and cross references.

Scrivener's 1873 Cambridge edition was reprinted by Zondervan in 2000 and in several years following and then later was reprinted by Hendrickson for several years so that thousands of Americans may have his edition of the KJV. This present KJV edition has many differences with other present KJV editions.

This 1873 and present KJV edition has "strain out" at Matthew 23:24 instead of "strain at." It has "profession of our hope" at Hebrews 10:23 instead of "profession of our faith." At John 10:25, this 1873 edition has "ye believe not" in agreement with several of the earlier English Bibles while most present KJV's have "ye believed not." At Acts 25:23, it has "were entered" in agreement with several earlier English Bibles while most KJV's have "was entered" following the Bishops' Bible. This 1873 edition has "thy mercy's sake" (Psalm 6:4, 31:16, 44:26) for the Oxford edition's "thy mercies' sake," “fathers‘ house“ for “father‘s house“ (1 Chron. 7:2, Ezra 2:59, Neh. 7:61), “heart’s lust” for “hearts’ lust” (Ps. 81:12), “Adder‘s poison“ for “adders‘ poison“ (Ps. 140:3), “fools‘ back” for “fool‘s back“ (Prov. 26:3), “merchant’s ships” for “merchants’ ships” (Prov. 31:14), “priests‘” for “priest’s” (Ezek. 44:30), “potter’s clay” for “potters’ clay” (Dan. 2:41), and “oaths’ sake” for “oath’s sake” (Matt. 14:9, Mark 6:26).

From the second 1611 “She” edition, it has “possession“ for “possessions“ (Gen. 47:27), “ye shall“ for “shall ye“ (Lev. 18:30), “thou shalt“ for “shalt thou“ (Num. 10:2), “the valleys“ for “valleys“ (Deut. 8:7), “it is true“ for “it be true“ (Deut. 17:4), “she rose“ for “she arose“ (1 Kings 3:20), “bondman“ for “bondmen“ (1 Kings 9:22), “maidens“ for “maids“ (Job 19:15), “thine hand“ for “thy hand“ (Isa. 64:8), “mine hands” for “my hands” (Isa. 65:2), “mine hand” for “my hand” (Jer. 25:15, Ezek. 6:14), “with the sword“ for “by the sword“ (Ezek. 31:18), “in pieces“ for “to pieces“ (Dan. 2:34), and “they be drunken“ for “they are drunken“ (Nahum 1:10).

The text of Scrivener's KJV edition is more in agreement with the 1611 “he” edition than are most other present KJV editions.
Scrivener presented a list of the places in his 1873 edition that he restored 1611 readings (Authorized Edition, pp. 215-237). The Old Testament of this edition has “you“ for “ye“ (Gen. 9:4), “Girgashite“ for “Girgasite“ (Gen. 10:16), “towards“ for “toward“ (Gen. 15:5), “this thing“ for “this thing also“ (Gen. 19:21), “lift“ for “lifted“ (Gen. 22:4), “amongst“ for “among“ (Gen. 23:10), “to him“ for “unto him“ (Gen. 25:33), “Philistims“ for “Philistines“ (Gen. 26:1), "hand” for “hands” (Gen. 39:1), “spirit” for “Spirit” (Gen. 41:38), “drunk“ for “drank“ (Gen. 43:34), “Haste you“ for “Haste ye“ (Gen. 45:9), “And you“ for “And ye“ (Gen. 45:13), “any man” for “any men” (Gen. 47:6), “you did“ for “ye did“ (Exod. 10:11), “consecrations“ for “consecration“ (Exod. 29:26), “clothes“ for “cloths“ (Exod. 31:10), “stript“ for “stripped“ (Exod. 33:6), “manner fat“ for “manner of fat“ (Lev. 7:23), “nor scales“ for “and scales“ (Lev. 11:10), “were“ for “are“ (Lev. 25:23), “river side“ for “river‘s side“ (Num. 24:6), “begun“ for “began“ (Num. 25:1), “thy hand“ for “thine hand“ (Deut. 2:24), “thy heart“ for “thine heart“ (Deut. 15:7), “thy oil“ for “thine oil“ (Deut. 18:4), “all lost thing“ for “all lost things“ (Deut. 22:3), “noondays“ for “noonday“ (Deut. 28:29), “even the Lord” for “of the Lord” (Josh. 3:11), “or Sheba“ for “and Sheba“ (Josh. 19:2), “spirit” for “Spirit” (Jud. 3:10), “a hammer“ for “an hammer“ (Jud. 4:21), “he went” for “she went” (Ruth 3:15), “girt“ for “girded“ (1 Sam. 2:4), “my heart“ for “mine heart“ (1 Sam. 2:35), “in the fields” for “in the field” (1 Sam. 20:5), “wrapt“ for “wrapped“ (1 Sam. 21:9), “rose“ for “arose“ (1 Sam. 24:8), “a hill“ for “an hill“ (1 Sam. 26:13), “thy word“ for “thy words“ (1 Kings 3:12), “the LORD“ for “the Lord“ (1 Kings 8:56), “flotes“ for “floats“ (1 Kings 5:9), “son” for “sons” (1 Kings 13:11), “leese“ for “lose“ (1 Kings 18:5), “a horse “ for “an horse“ (1 Kings 20:20), “neesed“ for “sneezed“ (2 Kings 4:35), “kab“ for “cab“ (2 Kings 6:25), “to give to him“ for “to give him“ (2 Kings 8:19), “Geshan“ for “Gesham“ (1 Chron. 2:47), “Shimron“ for “Shimrom“ (1 Chron. 7:2), “men of might” for “valiant men of might” (1 Chron. 7:5), “son“ for “sons“ (1 Chron. 7:35), “Michah“ for “Micah“ (1 Chron. 23:20), “and laid” for “and they laid” (2 Chron. 29:23), “sin“ for “sins“ (2 Chron. 33:19), “and gold” for “and the gold” (Ezra 7:18), “built“ for “builded“ (Neh. 3:1), “cruddled“ for “curdled“ (Job 10:10), “sent“ for “scent“ (Job 14:9), “flying” for “fleeing” (Job 30:3), “the LORD“ for “the Lord“ (Ps. 2:4), “whiles” for “while” (Ps. 49:18), “holy Spirit“ for “holy spirit“ (Ps. 51:11), “Zion“ for “Sion“ (Ps. 65:1), “stablish“ for “establish“ (Ps. 89:4), “snare” for “snares” (Ps. 141:9), “vapour” for “vapors” (Ps. 148:8), “beareth“ for “bear“ (Song of Solomon 4:2), “mixt“ for “mixed“ (Isa. 1:22), “Get you” for “Get you” (Isa. 30:11), “burnt“ for “burned“ (Jer. 1:16), “nor daughters” for “or daughters” (Jer. 16:2), “sith“ for “since“ (Jer. 23:38), “afterwards” for “afterward” (Jer. 34:11), “word which“ for “word that“ (Jer. 40:1), “utter court” for “outer court” (Ezek. 10:5), “cropt“ for “cropped“ (Ezek. 17:4), “And the word” for “The word” (Ezek. 18:1), “ebeny“ for “ebony“ (Ezek. 27:15), “astrologians“ for “astrologers“ (Dan. 2:27), “a whirlwind” for “the whirlwind” (Hos. 13:3), “ript“ for “ripped“ (Hos. 13:16), “Kerioth“ for “Kirioth“ (Amos 2:2), “flieth” for “fleeth” (Nah. 3:16), and “Lord GOD“ for “LORD God“ (Hab. 3:19).

In the New Testament, this 1873 and present KJV edition has “but will” for “but he will” (Matt. 3:12), “Spirit“ for “spirit“ (Matt. 4:1), “a hungred“ for “an hungred“ (Matt. 4:2), “out the devils“ for “out devils“ (Matt. 9:34), “Is this“ for “Is not this“ (Matt. 12:23), “had not root” for “had no root” (Matt. 13:6), “a hymn“ for “an hymn“ (Matt. 26:30), “ought“ for “owed“ (Luke 7:41), “he said“ for “he had said“ (Luke 8:8), “to my Lord“ for “unto my Lord“ (Luke 20:42), “They say” for “They said” (John 11:34), “Canaan“ for “Chanaan“ (Acts 7:11, 13:19), “house“ for “housetop“ (Acts 10:9), “law of the husband“ for “law of her husband“ (Rom. 7:2), “approved to death” for “appointed to death” (1 Cor. 4:9), “hand“ for “hands“ (2 Cor. 5:1), “think you“ for “think ye“ (2 Cor. 12:19), “passed“ for “past“ (Eph. 2:11), “shamefastness” for “shamefacedness” (1 Tim. 2:9), “or by our epistle“ for “or our epistle“ (1 Thess. 2:15), “which doeth“ for “that doeth“ (1 John 2:29), “precious stone” for “precious stones” (Rev. 17:4), “sailers“ for “sailors“ (Rev. 18:17), “dipt” for “dipped” (Rev. 19:13), and several others.

 

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When was the KJV "given by inspiration of God"? – 1611 … or any of the KJV major/minor revisions in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, and the last one in 1850?

1850? Is this Hudson’s typo?

It was not a typo. The use of the date 1850 in the question likely comes directly from Peter Ruckman's use of that date in his statement in his booklet concerning differences in KJV editions.

Peter Ruckman referred to “seven revised copies of the AV (1611, 1613, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1769, and 1850) that result in a purified Book” (Differences in the KJV Editions, pp. 18-19).

Peter Ruckman indicated that “we have a list which gives fourteen [major editions] (1612, 1613, 1616, 1617, 1629, and 1630, with the King’s printers; then 1640, 1660, 1701, 1762, 1769, 1833, 1847-1851, and 1858)“ (Biblical Scholarship, p. 46).

By the likely rounded off date 1850 and the date 1858, Ruckman was likely referring to the revision of the KJV by the American Bible Society that was made around 1850-1851 and printed from 1852 until 1858.

Peter Ruckman wrote: “At this writing, it is the Standard Edition, Octavo Reference Bible of 1852, as established by Gardiner Spring, Thomas Cook, Samuel H. Turner, Edward Robinson, Thomas Vermilye, John McClintock, and Richard S. Storrs, Jr.” (Differences in KJV Editions, p. 19).

Darlow and Moule observed that in the 1851-52 edition "the 's' has been dropped in the case of Hebrew plurals; thus cherubim for cherubims (Historical Catalogue, p. 362). This ABS Standard edition as found in an 1853 edition had “cherubim” (Gen. 3:24), “Rephaim” (Gen. 14:5), “Zuzim“ (Gen. 14:5), “Emim” (Gen. 14:5), “Anakim” (Deut. 1:28), “Horim“ (Deut. 2:12), “Zamzummim“ (Deut. 2:20), “Avim“ (Deut. 2:23), “Caphtorim“ (Deut. 2:23), “Nethinim” (1 Chron. 9:2), “Lubim“ (2 Chron. 12:3), “Sukkiim“ (2 Chron. 12:3), “Mehunim“ (2 Chron. 26:7), “seraphim” (Isa. 6:2), “cherubim’s” (Ezek. 10:5), “Cherethim“ (Ezek. 25:16), "Gammadim" (Ezek. 27:11), and “Chemarim“ (Zeph. 1:4).

The 1851-52 edition had "in the judgment" instead "in judgment" at Matthew 12:41. The ABS’s Committee on Versions maintained that “this is required by the Greek; and the same Greek phrase, in verse 42, is so rendered by the translators” (Statements, p. 6).

It had “victuals“ instead of “victual“ (Exod. 12:39), “Aijalon“ instead of “Ajalon“ (Josh. 10:12, 19:42), “Ashkelon“ instead of “Askelon“ (Jud. 1:18), “he went” instead of “she went” (Ruth 3:15), “sackcloth” instead of “sackclothes” (Neh. 9:1), “thy Holy Spirit“ instead of “thy holy spirit“ (Ps. 51:11), “Kishon“ instead of “Kison“ (Ps. 83:9), “thing that is“ instead of “thing that is“ (Ps. 89:34), “she please” instead of “he please” (Song of Solomon 2:7, 3:5, 8:4), “Jeshurun“ instead of “Jesurun“ (Isa. 44:2), “his Holy Spirit“ instead of “his holy Spirit“ (Isa. 63:10, 11), “cloths“ instead of “clothes“ (Ezek. 27:20), “John the Baptist‘s“ instead of “John Baptist‘s“ (Matt. 14:8), “born of thee“ instead of “born of thee“ (Luke 1:35), “ahungered“ instead of “an hungred“ (Luke 6:3), “John the Baptist“ instead of “John Baptist“ (Luke 7:20), “aware” instead of “ware” (Acts 14:6), “the Fair Havens“ instead of “The fair havens“ (Acts 27:8), “Appii Forum“ instead of “Appii forum“ (Acts 28:15), “the Three Taverns“ instead of “The three taverns“ (Acts 28:15), “aught“ instead of “ought“ (Acts 28:19), “Hosea“ instead of “Osee“ (Rom. 9:25), “Holy Spirit of promise” instead of “holy Spirit of promise” (Eph. 1:13), “Holy Spirit of God” instead of “holy Spirit of God” (Eph. 4:30), “Korah” instead of “Core” (Jude 1:11), “seven spirits of God” instead of “seven Spirits of God” (Rev. 4:5), and “horses’ bridles” instead of “horse bridles” (Rev. 14:20). Darlow and Moule pointed out the brackets and italics in the latter clause of 1 John 2:23 were dropped in this 1852 edition (p. 362). Concerning 1 John 2:23, the Committee noted “as there is no question of its genuineness, both the brackets and the italics have been dropped” (Statements, p. 9). This is only a few of the differences between this 1852-1858 American Bible Society revision of the KJV compared to typical post-1900 KJV editions.

This 1851-52 standard edition influenced the present edition of the KJV published by this Bible society. Scrivener noted that "some small fruits" of this 1851-52 edition "remain in the editions of the Bible published by the American Bible Society since 1860" (Authorized Version, p. 37).