Churches double standards

[Reynolds]

My pastor was preaching Wednesday night about the sin of homosexuality.
After service I told him, "Great sermon. When will you be preaching about the sin of adultery? Especially the adultery resulting from remarriage after non Biblical divorce.". He looked at me like I had just killed his favorite puppy. He didn't know what to say.

I despise the sin of homosexuality. I equally despise the hypocrisy in elevating it above the more accepted sexual sins.

 

[Reynolds]

I have always thought it odd how churches and pastors pick and choose sins they take a stand on. One pastor said that "Most pastors draw the line just past the point they know they will never cross.".

 

[JonC]

It seems most Christians are more vocal about sins that don't affect them (as with your example).

I've noticed the same - what about people looking at porn, or getting drunk, or cheating on taxes,

Or....if we really want to step on toes....exceeding the posted speed limit.

 

[Reynolds]

It seems most Christians are more vocal about sins that don't affect them (as with your example).

I've noticed the same - what about people looking at porn, or getting drunk, or cheating on taxes,

Or....if we really want to step on toes....exceeding the posted speed limit.

Yep. To be consistent, I kept it all in context of sexual sins. How do you choose one to take a stand on one and virtually ignore the others?
I would estimate that over half our church is divorced and remarried. I don't know the details of all the divorces, but the ones I know did not have Biblical grounds. One x husband and wife still both go to church and are both remarried to other people. They get along great, but they got divorced because " they don't love each other anymore".

 

[kyredneck]

I would estimate that over half our church is divorced and remarried. I don't know the details of all the divorces, but the ones I know did not have Biblical grounds. One x husband and wife still both go to church and are both remarried to other people. They get along great, but they got divorced because " they don't love each other anymore".

"...He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."

 

[Reynolds]

"...He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."

So, your answer is let all sexual sin run rampant in Church?
The preacher should not preach about sin?
Perhaps the preacher should just preach about sins that people not attending our church commit?

 

[OnlyaSinner]

It seems most Christians are more vocal about sins that don't affect them (as with your example).

I've noticed the same - what about people looking at porn, or getting drunk, or cheating on taxes,

Or....if we really want to step on toes....exceeding the posted speed limit.

Same sex sin is described in a handful of passages, while adultery and fornication are found in many dozens, and while some address spiritual sin, most concerned physical intimacy outside of biblical marriage.
In rare instances, driving above the speed limit is less dangerous. many years ago, we were driving from O'Hare to North Chicago for our son's graduation from basic at Great Lakes Naval Base. The 4-lane highway was bumper to bumper, 1-2 car length spacing, at 70 mph, with 55 the posted limit. The rain/snow mix at the airport became heavy snow a few miles to the north but the traffic held their speed. We knew that driving at 55 would almost certainly trigger a massive pile-up so we chose 65 instead. Then we'd see a car spun out onto the shoulder or upside down, and cars would slow a couple tics - happened several times - then we slowed to ~20 as drivers were rubbernecking at a couple of tractor trailers off the southbound lanes. Until that slowdown it was one of the scariest 15 minutes I've had while driving, worse than dodging log trucks on icy roads in the Maine woods.

 

[JonC]

Same sex sin is described in a handful of passages, while adultery and fornication are found in many dozens, and while some address spiritual sin, most concerned physical intimacy outside of biblical marriage.
In rare instances, driving above the speed limit is less dangerous. many years ago, we were driving from O'Hare to North Chicago for our son's graduation from basic at Great Lakes Naval Base. The 4-lane highway was bumper to bumper, 1-2 car length spacing, at 70 mph, with 55 the posted limit. The rain/snow mix at the airport became heavy snow a few miles to the north but the traffic held their speed. We knew that driving at 55 would almost certainly trigger a massive pile-up so we chose 65 instead. Then we'd see a car spun out onto the shoulder or upside down, and cars would slow a couple tics - happened several times - then we slowed to ~20 as drivers were rubbernecking at a couple of tractor trailers off the southbound lanes. Until that slowdown it was one of the scariest 15 minutes I've had while driving, worse than dodging log trucks on icy roads in the Maine woods.

There are also instances where people would have survived an accident if they were not wearing seatbelts. I guess it's a percent thing.

My theory about driving in bad weather is drive as fast as you can so as to decrease your time on the road, thereby decreasing your time at risk.

 

[kyredneck]

So, your answer is let all sexual sin run rampant in Church?

Lol, what's your answer, kick em all out?

 

[kyredneck]

non Biblical divorce

What do you consider to be 'Biblical divorce', i.e., when is it ok?

 

[Reynolds]

What do you consider to be 'Biblical divorce', i.e., when is it ok?

When victim of sexual immorality of other partner. Jesus was pretty plain on that.

 

[Reynolds]

Lol, what's your answer, kick em all out?

You going to let a married homosexual couple join?
You going let a member who falls into open homosexuality remain a member?

Why would you treat an adulterous remarriage any differently?

I have never gotten a logical answer to this question.

 

[Roy Kling]

A church I attended for some years in the 80's had several divorced and remarried couples. Both divorce and remarriage of all of them happened prior to their being saved and each and every one of them would stand and admit they did what was against God's will and plan for man and would not commit the sin again.

 

[Reynolds]

A church I attended for some years in the 80's had several divorced and remarried couples. Both divorce and remarriage of all of them happened prior to their being saved and each and every one of them would stand and admit they did what was against God's will and plan for man and would not commit the sin again.

My question is at what point in time does the remarriage cease to be sin? Is it only sin first time second marriage is consummated, or is it continual sin?

 

[OnlyaSinner]

There are also instances where people would have survived an accident if they were not wearing seatbelts. I guess it's a percent thing.

My theory about driving in bad weather is drive as fast as you can so as to decrease your time on the road, thereby decreasing your time at risk.

I've heard that philosophy for driving on crooked/steep roads, too.

And I've been in one of those 1-in-1000 situations. In the 1970s we didn't buckle the seatbelts on the logging roads in northern Maine, as several drivers had been crushed in their seat by logs from another truck. On a mild (near 30°) morning in January 1981, I was riding shotgun in a co-worker's pickup when we entered a right/left S-curve just as a log truck carrying two big tiers of spruce sawlogs. Neither vehicle was going all that fast but we both slid and met in the middle. I had dived against the dashboard before the collision, which changed our velocity from 25 mph to minus 25. The right headlight of the pickup had been crunched back to where the glovebox had been, and the cab on the right side was crushed in by more than a foot. Had I been belted, I likely would've face-planted against the doorframe thanks to the shortened cab, rearranging my skull a bit. As it was, I had a non-displaced fracture of my lower left leg and some painful cartilage damage.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My question is at what point in time does the remarriage cease to be sin? Is it only sin first time second marriage is consummated, or is it continual sin?

Good question. For example, my brother had a very contentious relation with his wife who came out as a lesbian and she influenced one of their daughters to become a transsexual . Well 2 years ago she moved out and filed for divorce. He Indicated that they will stay married but live very different lives, he a heterosexual selebate life and her a gay lifestyle and influencing all the kids with homosexual & transexual lifestyles. But I want to stress, my brother did not pursue a divorce. He is hopeful that his wife will wake-up and support their marriage. So what do you think…is my brother correct in his approach?

 

[Reynolds]

Good question. For example, my brother had a very contentious relation with his wife who came out as a lesbian and she influenced one of their daughters to become a transsexual . Well 2 years ago she moved out and filed for divorce. He Indicated that they will stay married but live very different lives, he a heterosexual selebate life and her a gay lifestyle and influencing all the kids with homosexual & transexual lifestyles. But I want to stress, my brother did not pursue a divorce. He is hopeful that his wife will wake-up and support their marriage. So what do you think…is my brother correct in his approach?

He can divorce and remarry without fault. He is the victim of sexual immorality. He is a better man than me. I would divorce her.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He can divorce and remarry without fault. He is the victim of sexual immorality. He is a better man than me. I would divorce her.

Well I’m not certain he is a better man! He should want some happiness in his remaining years, but he keeps quoting scripture on this topic so…

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A church I attended for some years in the 80's had several divorced and remarried couples. Both divorce and remarriage of all of them happened prior to their being saved and each and every one of them would stand and admit they did what was against God's will and plan for man and would not commit the sin again.

Opps… they are headed for purgatory!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

There are also instances where people would have survived an accident if they were not wearing seatbelts. I guess it's a percent thing.

My theory about driving in bad weather is drive as fast as you can so as to decrease your time on the road, thereby decreasing your time at risk.

I thought that theory only applied to NJ and Mass?!?