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Theology is metaphysics. Epistemology must come first.

37818

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Sorry, but claiming God's word, the gospel, is not simple, is lacking because that bogus claim says we must first grasp "epistemology" or metaphysics leads to the broad path to destruction.
You really do not understand or is it you refuse to hear simple truths?
From someone else.
And from logical deduction.
 

37818

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The Bible we choose to read did not originate with us. We choose based on previous experiance and information.
 

Van

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On and on Epistimoglogy is lauded. Our gospel is simple, understandable to youths. Those pushing complexity lack understanding. Do not drink from springs without water.

The gospel did not arise from metaphysics, and we are without excuse. Offer God a word salad and He will spit it out of His mouth.
 

37818

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On and on Epistimoglogy is lauded. Our gospel is simple, understandable to youths. Those pushing complexity lack understanding. Do not drink from springs without water.

The gospel did not arise from metaphysics, and we are without excuse. Offer God a word salad and He will spit it out of His mouth.

You obtain your information yourself. You have your sources. You are choosing or not choosing. I am impossing not a thing. You do not know your how comes before what you think you know? This is on you.
 

37818

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* Truth is absolute.
* The law of non-contradiction.
* Conclusions by inductive reasoning are not always true.
* How we know comes before what we know.
 

Van

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You obtain your information yourself. You have your sources. You are choosing or not choosing. I am impossing not a thing. You do not know your how comes before what you think you know? This is on you.
And how do you know that? :)
 

Van

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Then you tell how you know your what ever. Do you have any what ever that you know that came to you before how you knew it?
You seem to have grasped the obvious, epistemology is an attack on our understanding of truth.
 

37818

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The problem of truth.
There is truth and there are the theories of truth.
There are at least 10 named theories.
Epistemic truth theory, in this, there are also theories of truth.

The whole topic can be made complex.
I have only presented a simplified view.

Trurh is abosolute.
The law of noncontradiction.
Conclusions from inductive reasoning are not alwaystrue.
How we know comes before what we know.

What one knows.
Personal experiance.
Witness of others.
Logical deduction.

Laws of logic.
The law of identity.
The law of noncontradiction.
The law of the excluded middle.

And we can add.
As Christians, the 66 book Bible as our final authority in all matters of the faith and practice.

Theology is metaphysics. Epistemology must come first.
 
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Van

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1. The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed. (Audience relevance - you're reading other people's mail)

2. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.

3. The Scriptures are to be interpreted under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which guidance is to be humbly and earnestly sought. - Charles Hodge
You re-post the same rebutted nonsense, but seem unable to address the fact scripture leads the lost to Christ. Thus those not indwelt can seek and find the narrow path that leads to life.

Did I say scripture contradicts itself? Nope
Did I say the meaning of God's word was not directed at the immediate audience? Nope

On and on, the insight concerning being poor in spirit is obfuscated due to animus.
 

Van

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What is truth?

Truth is what has fidelity to the original. Jesus is truth as He is the exact image of what He represents, which is God.

Our gospel is simple, and no one needs metaphysics or epistemology to know it is true. Full Stop
 

Van

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The epistemological view of Calvinism is that no one can know God's word unless born anew and indwelt. They constantly make this false claim citing 1 Corinthians 2:14, changing "the things" into "all the things" of the Spirit.

On the other side are those that believe God's word can lead the lost to Christ. That the lost can understand spiritual milk, but not spiritual solid food (meat).

Yes we need to soundly study and understand what God has conveyed in His word. Yes, careful study following simple rules, such as not interpreting verses in a way that creates conflict and contradiction, are needed to prevent or minimize mistaken views. And we need to share our views with others such that when we have missed the mark, they can point us back toward truth.
 

37818

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Our gospel is simple, and no one needs metaphysics or epistemology to know it is true. Full Stop

. . . And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. . . .

. . . Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. . . .

. . . And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. . . .

. . . But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. . . .

1 John 5:1.

1 John 5:9-13.
 
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37818

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The Word, [who is the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ,] is the sole agent of creation, per John 1:2-3, ". . . The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . . ." And Ephesians3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ." And Colossians 1:15-18, ". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; . . ."
 
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