Is It Nothing to You?

[kyredneck]

promise to Abraham was that his family would dwell in the boundaries given forever

Again, cite the scripture.

 

[kyredneck]

So do you believe that the church has replaced Israel?

If this is not being 'replaced' then I don't understand the meaning of the word:

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Mt 21

Just as God rent the kingdom from the house of Saul and gave it to the house of David so He did with the house of apostate Judiaiasm to the house of Christ:

28 And Samuel said unto him, Jehovah hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbor of thine, that is better than thou. 1 Sam 15

 

[KenH]

Gen 15:18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates;

Do you think this refers to his physical or spiritual descendants and upon what do you base your view?

That physical promise was fulfilled long ago:

1 Kings 4:20-21 Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking, and making merry. And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.

God teaches in His Word, the Bible, that the Bible is ALL about the salvation that Christ Jesus accomplished on behalf of God's elect - from Genesis through Revelation. It is not about a patch of dirt next to the Mediterranean Sea, except for the purpose during a period of time when it was a means that God used to bring His Son into the world in a perfectly flawless, sinless human body to work out a perfect righteousness, a perfect salvation, on behalf of all those(Jews and Gentiles) whom God the Father gave to God the Son to be their Surety before the world began, and who the Holy Spirit regenerates to spiritual life in Christ Jesus.

A better term than "replacement theology" is fulfillment theology - as ALL of God's promises from Genesis through Revelation have been fulfilled to save ALL of God's elect who ever and will ever live.

 

[JD731]

Nothing new under the sun JD, you Dispies still worship the golden calf, Israel after the flesh. Why? I'm not sure. Probably for the 'sensationalism' of it I suppose.

I am a dispensationalist because of logic and reason and faith in the words of the scriptures.You are what you are because you are not constrained by the words and context of scripture. You have read some of the scriptures and believe yourself to be a new Hebrew, an Israelite, a member of the family of Jacob, a Jew and you think someone else is confused.

Psalms 14:7
Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

So you think this Psalm is about you, eh?


Psalms 105:1-6
1 O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.
2 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him: talk ye of all his wondrous works.
3 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
4 Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.
5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.


Psalms 105:7-15
7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
12 When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.
13 When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;
14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

Everything God does between then and now is in connection with his covenant with Abraham.

but you don’t believe that do you?


Psalms 105:41-44
41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.
43 And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:
44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;

 

[kyredneck]

You have read some of the scriptures and believe yourself to be a new Hebrew, an Israelite, a member of the family of Jacob, a Jew and you think someone else is confused.

Yes. I am a 'true Jew', born from Jerusalem above Galatians 4:26, with a circumcised heart with the law written upon it Romans 2:29, Romans 2:13-15, of the 'true circumcision' Philippians 3:3, of the new creature 'the Israel of God' Galatians 6:15-16.

I am 'Abraham's seed' Galatians 3:29.

 

[37818]

. . . the physical descendants of Abraham.

There are two sets. Uncircumcision per Genesis 12:3 and Galatians 3:29. Circumcision per Genesis 17:7-10.

 

[kyredneck]

There are two sets. Uncircumcision per Genesis 12:3 and Galatians 3:29. Circumcision per Genesis 17:7-10.

Romans 2:28-29

You die hard Dispies just can't get past the letter, can you?

"...circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter..."

 

[KenH]

There are two sets.

Ephesians 2:14-22 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

(emphasis mine)

 

[37818]

You die hard Dispies just can't get past the letter, can you?

Galatians 2:21, ". . . I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. . . ."

Post #73 is your post.

 

[kyredneck]

There are two sets.

Yes, there is a clear distinction between Israel and Israel:

6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: Ro 9

"...circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter..."

 

[kyredneck]

Galatians 2:21, ". . . I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. . . ."

??? What has this to do with anything I've posted? Are you on the right thread?

Post #73 is your post.

Yes it is. What's your point? Got one?

 

[37818]

??? What has this to do with anything I've posted? Are you on the right thread?

What was your point?

You die hard Dispies just can't get past the letter, can you?

Yes it is. What's your point? Got one?

What was your ppint?

Nope. Never. My Bible says there are no unfulfilled promises to the physical descendants of Abraham.

25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, that he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
26 And he ruled over all the kings from the River even unto the land of the Philistines, and to the border of Egypt. 2 Chron 9

43 So Jehovah gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And Jehovah gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; Jehovah delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not aught of any good thing which Jehovah had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Josh 21

And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which Jehovah your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, not one thing hath failed thereof. Josh 23:14

Blessed be Jehovah, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by Moses his servant. 1 Ki 8:56

For how many soever be the promises of God, in him is the yea: wherefore also through him is the Amen, unto the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1:20

 

[37818]

Yes, there is a clear distinction between Israel and Israel:

Nonsense.
Galatians 6:15-16, ". . . For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[kyredneck]

What was your point?


What was your ppint?

Not such good reading comprehension skills, eh?

 

[kyredneck]

Yes, there is a clear distinction between Israel and Israel:

6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: Ro 9

"...circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter..."

Nonsense.

Then let's see how you make sense of "they are not all Israel, that are of Israel".

Expound on it please.

 

[kyredneck]

Galatians 6:15-16, ". . . For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Give us 'your take' on the "Israel of God", where neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, in this passage.

Expound on it please.

 

[37818]

Not such good reading comprehension skills, eh?

In regards to what?

 

[37818]

Then let's see how you make sense of "they are not all Israel, that are of Israel".

Expound on it please.

Lost and saved Israel.

 

[37818]

Give us 'your take' on the "Israel of God", where neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, in this passage.

Expound on it please.

Salvation is not a matter of circumcision or uncircumcision.
Saved Israel are of the circumcision.

 

[kyredneck]

Then let's see how you make sense of "they are not all Israel, that are of Israel".

Expound on it please.

Lost and saved Israel.

'Lost' and 'saved' is not even in the context.

6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9