Faith is the result of Election !

[37818]

That people Chosen in Christ before the foundation shall in due time hear the Gospel of their Salvation and believe Eph 1:4,13

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

So again Election results in Faith

No. Can you not understand words? Or are you really that confused? It is faith from hearing God's word being the reason for one's election.

 

[Van]

What is the righteousness that is "through faith in Christ?"

When we believe, as determined by God crediting our faith as righteousness, then God puts us into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration, and arise in Christ a new creation, born anew, made (not declared) righteous and perfect.

 

[Van]

Election took place before the foundation of the world before the elect had any being, and it results in faith in time

Scripture explicitly precludes this unsound doctrine.
1) Our corporate election occurred before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4
2) Our individual election occurred during our lifetime, after were were without mercy, not a people chosen 1 Peter 2:9-10
3) We are chosen individually for salvation through faith in the truth, thus individual faith comes before individual election for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Brightfame52]

No. Can you not understand words? Or are you really that confused? It is faith from hearing God's word being the reason for one's election.

Im sorry faith is the result of election.

 

[Van]

Who determines whether or not be believe? Do we or does God. Read Matthew chapter 7.

 

[Brightfame52]

Scripture explicitly precludes this unsound doctrine.
1) Our corporate election occurred before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4
2) Our individual election occurred during our lifetime, after were were without mercy, not a people chosen 1 Peter 2:9-10
3) We are chosen individually for salvation through faith in the truth, thus individual faith comes before individual election for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

Again Election took place before the foundation Eph 1:4, before anyone was born to do good or evil[Rom 9], and those elected will be given Faith to believe in Christ.Eph 1:13

 

[37818]

Im sorry faith is the result of election.

Then do you believe the poor of this world are the elect, ". . . Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?"

 

[Van]

Again Election took place before the foundation Eph 1:4, before anyone was born to do good or evil[Rom 9], and those elected will be given Faith to believe in Christ.Eph 1:13

Did you say corporate election before the foundation of the world or individual election before the foundation of the world? Nope - obfuscation on display

 

[Silverhair]

I say God credits the faith of some individuals as righteousness, but that does not result in the person becoming righteous by imputation.

I NEVER said the person "had a righteous faith!!!" Please, stick with what I say and stop rewriting my view. God credits some with righteous faith, deeming our worthless, filthy rag faith as righteous. He has mercy on us, not that we earned it by "our righteous faith."

I am so tired of the constant efforts to misrepresent me by folks who should know better.

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, NRSV

Rom 4:11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, NASB

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, NKJV

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but are not circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. BSB

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: KJV

Rom_4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

The bible disagrees with you Van. Man does not have righteous faith, he has faith in the risen Christ and because of that faith God accounts, credits, imputes such faith as righteousness.

 

[Brightfame52]

Then do you believe the poor of this world are the elect, ". . . Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?"

Whoever was chosen it was before the foundation and it results in Faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

Did you say corporate election before the foundation of the world or individual election before the foundation of the world? Nope - obfuscation on display

I have commented on that already, just do your review

 

[Silverhair]

Whoever was chosen it was before the foundation and it results in Faith.

You are stating a cause effect situation so by doing so you have made your god responsible for all those that are in hell because your god did not choose them or provide the means of their salvation.

The sovereign God of the bible desires that all men would come to Him in faith so as to be saved 1Ti 2:3-4 and has sent His son for that purpose Jn 3:17.

 

[Brightfame52]

You are stating a cause effect situation so by doing so you have made your god responsible for all those that are in hell because your god did not choose them or provide the means of their salvation.

The sovereign God of the bible desires that all men would come to Him in faith so as to be saved 1Ti 2:3-4 and has sent His son for that purpose Jn 3:17.

Does God desire these to be saved Jude 1:3-4

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Silverhair]

Does God desire these to be saved Jude 1:3-4

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

In a word, YES. My God is sovereign and loves His whole creation and desires all to be saved. Your ineffectual god does not seem to love very many.

 

[robycop3]

You still have it backwards.

SCRIPTURE says otherwise.

 

[37818]

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Whoever was chosen it was before the foundation and it results in Faith.

Again you claim what God nowhere teaches as to what results in faith. James 2:5, Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? Here known faith is God's reason for choosing is claimed.

 

[Brightfame52]

In a word, YES. My God is sovereign and loves His whole creation and desires all to be saved. Your ineffectual god does not seem to love very many.

Thats false, they were of old eternity ordained to condemnation.

Does God want these to be saved ? 2 Thess 2:8-12

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Brightfame52]

SCRIPTURE says otherwise.

In your imagination

 

[Silverhair]

Thats false, they were of old eternity ordained to condemnation.

Does God want these to be saved ? 2 Thess 2:8-12

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

BF you are confusing what God desires and what He does in response to the free actions of people. As you quoted in your post ""...because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved." 2Th 2:10

His desire as stated is that all will come to salvation but since He does not force them to do so. He has allowed man to have a LFW. The fact that He blinds them is in response to their continued rejection of Him.

That is what the sovereign God of the bible does.

Your continued misreading of the text of the bible results in your ineffectual god of your own making doing what you need him to do.

 

[robycop3]

How silly ! Those verses pertain

Thats false, they were of old eternity ordained to condemnation.

Does God want these to be saved ? 2 Thess 2:8-12

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

How silly! Those verses pertain to those who will take the mark of the beast. Your calvinist garbage is false.