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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    You could be right.
    I do not understand your argument.
    So, for me, it cannot change my view. Even if it should.
     
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    2 Corinthians 11:3, . . . But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. . . .
     
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    All I know is that those that have trusted in Christ Jesus are in Christ thus in His house and partakers of Him. Many will hold fast to the end but some will fall away from their faith. That 's way we have the warning passages to guard your faith etc.

    I apologize for the misunderstanding Jon, I took your word to mean they had to endure to the end in order to be a partaker of Christ.
     
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    So there is no room for a ‘carnal Christian’ in your belief system?
     
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    In Calvinist speak, that is what’s recognized as’ perseverance’ and John MacArthur would call it, ‘Lordship Salvation’ so are you stating these are not biblical stances? Once again, the Reformed community has built them right into their Doctrines of Grace which they celebrate. With that said, now everyone can be puritanical.
     
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    No problem.

    I see problems with the OSAS doctrine, in practice, because it can and does hive assurance where there should be none. That said I believe it true in what it presents, just incomplete.

    The Calvinistic position is based on Calvin's Atonement and is more problematic than OSAS (they are not the same).

    My friends and family who are free will Baptists hold a view similar to yours. I disagree with that position but in the end we are at the same place (those lacking faith are lost).
     
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    this makes no sense at all! :eek:
     
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    People look back and say "I believed" at a point in time and never "test" their faith but instead live a sinful lifestyle with a false assurance.

    Our assurance is not that we once believed.
     
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    do you believe that born again Christians can backslide?
     
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    I do. And when they backslide they have no assurance of their faith, only a conviction (if they are saved...God disciplines His own).
     
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    but they are still very much BORN AGAIN!
     
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    They are IF they have a faith that holds firm.

    Hebrews 12:7–8 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
    But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
     
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    Yes that’s Lordship Salvation you are explaining. Then there is the Hypercalvinists LOL. Makes you think that the Reformers are badly in need of a new reformation. ‘Reformation 2’ :Sneaky
     
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    Typical Lordship Salvation BS! So that only begs the question, “what’s the difference between Sonship and Discipleship”?
     
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    This sounds like our salvation is human and we keep ourselves
     
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    Not at all. That is my point.
     
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    Really? What have I missed
     
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    Do you call everything that you dislike “Lordship Salvation” even when it has absolutely nothing to do with Lordship Salvation? Your posts are typical of people who have no knowledge with which to argue against a position that they dislike, so they mindlessly attack the position using that which is of no relevance. My post includes numerous objective facts that are supported by massive databases of word usage among first and second century Christians. Your post includes no data, no facts, nothing that is true, and nothing of relevance.
     
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    It is an actual belief and repentance that leads to a rebirth, not a cognitive acceptance that temporarily affects our behavior until we reverse that belief.
     
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    who are you addressing here?
     
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