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    False teachers misrepresent God's word and those who accurately present God's word.

    Did anyone say God "ACCEPTS" our worthless filthy rag faith as earning or requiring or meriting our justification? Nope.

    What does scripture say? God "CREDITS" or "RECKONS" our (the ungodly) faith into or as righteousness. The verb "credits" is passive, thus God is acting upon faith (turning a sows ear into a silk purse).

    Does this make the filthy rag faith superior to Christ? Nope

    Does this dishonor Christ? Nope

    Does this give all to our filthy rag faith? Nope

    One other common trait of the dark side is they charge those opposing them with being on the dark side.
     
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    You take something promised in the Gospel, Justification by Faith, and turn it into a condition. Thats corrupting the word of righteusness
     
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    On and on this poster ignores scripture and repeats his false mantra.

    Everyone believing into Him promised a conditional everlasting life, the promise is only to those believing.

    Justification, being made righteous, is promised to those who believe. See Romans 4:11

    Galatians 3:8
    The Scripture, knowing beforehand that God would justify the Gentiles based on credited faith, preached part of the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”​

    All the nations (everybody) has been blessed by having the means of salvation provided by Christ, the seed of Abraham.

    Beyond that, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says individuals will be chosen for salvation through faith in the truth.
     
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    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Eph 1
     
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    Again you taking a Gospel Promise Gal 3:8 and putting man made conditions upon it.
     
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    Justification by Faith is by promise. God promised to Justify a particular seed by Faith, its a Gospel Promise. Its the seed of Abraham Gal 3:7-9

    7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children/seed of Abraham.

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

    The blessing of which all nations be blessed is " God Justifying through Faith" So Justification by Faith is a promised blessing to the seed of Abraham, his Spiritual seed.

    Again the promise of God Rom 3:30

    Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

    The word shall denotes Gods promise to do something.

    Justification by Faith depends on Gods Promise, and therefore sure to all the seed Rom 4:16

    Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
     
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    Once again nonsense is posted as if in rebuttal. The issue is did God accept our faith as meriting our salvation, and the answer is NO, NO, NO!!!!

    Once "in the Beloved" and having undergone the washing of regeneration, then we have been made righteous and acceptable to God. Thus a totally bogus prove "A" then claim "B" has been proved.
     
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    Again you are ignoring the word of God.

    Galatians 3:8
    The Scripture, knowing beforehand that God would justify the Gentiles based on credited faith, preached part of the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

    All the nations (everybody) has been blessed by having the means of salvation provided by Christ, the seed of Abraham.
     
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    The Blessing is Justification by Faith. You deny it and make Faith a condition for the blessing
     
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    Folks, did you see a quote to support this falsehood? Neither did I.
    God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
    Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
    Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
     
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    False, The elect were made righteous by the one obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
     
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    I have quoted it a dozen times already Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
     
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    Do you suppose this denier does not know this verse does not say how people will be made righteous?

    One thing for sure, Romans 5:19 does not, repeat not, say all those saved and to be saved were (in the past) made righteous.
     
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    God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
    Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
    Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
     
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    Again you denying the promise. Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Faith is part of the promised blessing, not a condition DUH
     
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    The elect were made righteous by the one obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
     
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    On and on, this poster simply repeats and does not address reality.

    God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
    Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
    Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
     
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    Do you suppose this denier does not know this verse does not say how people will be made righteous?

    One thing for sure, Romans 5:19 does not, repeat not, say all those saved and to be saved were (in the past) made righteous.

    Let me count the errors:
    1) All those elected for salvation and all those to be elected for salvation have not yet been made righteous, only those who thus far have been individually elected.

    2) Romans 5:19 does not say how people will be made righteous. Thus this verse is consistent with being made righteous by undergoing the washing of regeneration. Note regeneration results in being made alive, thus no longer dead in our trespasses.

    3) Christ's death (the obedience of Jesus Christ)resulted in Christ becoming the means of salvation for all of humanity, and many of them have been or will be made righteous.
     
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    Again you denying the promise. Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Faith is part of the promised blessing, not a condition DUH
     
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    The elect were made righteous by the one obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
     
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