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Justification by Faith !
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If only the sacrifice of Jesus, the obedience of the One, makes people righteous, then all people would have been made righteous. Folks, this poster simply is posting nonsense to hide his unbiblical claims.
1) All those elected for salvation and all those to be elected for salvation have not yet been made righteous, only those who thus far have been individually elected.
2) Romans 5:19 does not say how people will be made righteous. It does say they will be made righteous by the means of Christ's sacrifice. How God utilizes that means is not addressed. Thus this verse is consistent with being made righteous by undergoing the washing of regeneration. Note regeneration results in being made alive, thus no longer dead in our trespasses.
3) Christ's death (the obedience of Jesus Christ)resulted in Christ becoming the means of salvation for all of humanity, and many of them have been or will be made righteous.
4) God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
5) Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
6) Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
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Brightfame52
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LOL, more of the same nonsense. We know Adam sinned and as a consequence of that sin God made all humanity sinners. Thus it was God's action in causing the consequence of Adam sin to result in everyone being conceived in iniquity, separated from God, dead in our sin.
Did "believed into Him" receive an explanation other that God credited the person's faith as righteousness, and translocated the person from being "in Adam" and into being in Christ.
No. All we get is obfuscation. But scripture is clear.
Brightfame52
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The adverb could be translated as "antithetically," which points in the opposite direction, the past where folks have been made sinners and the future where folks will be made righteous.
The fall is God casting down all humanity under the consequence of Adam's sin, the deliverance is God reconciling those whose faith He has credited as righteousness.
Brightfame52
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You still do not get Scripture.
Who are "those for whom Christ obeyed?" Answer! All those to be given to Him, baptized into Him, called into His kingdom, and we to believe into Him.
You have individual election for salvation occurring before creation based on not understanding Ephesians 1:4. I have shown you many times that view is unbiblical because we all (every saved person) once was " not a people" chosen for God' possession.
Adam did not disobey for all humanity to be made sinners. That is complete nonsense. Thus just more obfuscation to change subjects.
Brightfame52
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Who are "those for whom Christ obeyed?" Answer! All those to be given to Him, baptized into Him, called into His kingdom, and we to believe into Him. Adam did not disobey to to cause humanity to be made sinners. Total fiction.
You have individual election for salvation occurring before creation based on not understanding Ephesians 1:4. I have shown you many times that view is unbiblical because we all (every saved person) once was " not a people" chosen for God' possession.
Adam did not disobey for all humanity to be made sinners. That is complete nonsense. Thus just more obfuscation to change subjects.
Brightfame52
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@Van
Those whom He is their Surety and died for, chosen in Him as they were in Adam in the beginning. Now again as what their federal representative Adam did resulted in them being made sinners, so in likewise manner, what their Federal represenative and surety did resulted in them being made righteous.
Those whom He is their Surety and died for, chosen in Him as they were in Adam in the beginning. Now again as what their federal representative Adam did resulted in them being made sinners, so in likewise manner, what their Federal represenative and surety did resulted in them being made righteous.
Who are "those for whom Christ obeyed?" Answer! All those to be given to Him, baptized into Him, called into His kingdom, and all those who will believe into Him. Adam did not disobey to cause humanity to be made sinners. Total fiction.
Brightfame52
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You still dont get it. Those for whom Christ obeyed for, by His One obedience they shall be made righteous, even as those for whom Adam disobeyed for were made sinners. Each Representative Head in their act, produced results for them they represented. Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Who are "those for whom Christ obeyed?" Answer! All those to be given to Him, baptized into Him, called into His kingdom, and we to believe into Him. Adam did not disobey to to cause humanity to be made sinners. Total fiction.
Adam did not disobey for all humanity to be made sinners. That is complete nonsense. Thus just more obfuscation to change subjects.
The most straight forward rendering of Galatians 3:24 is "...justified on the basis of faith." The preposition "ek" means"out from or arising from" faith. And as the OP correctly notes, the question is whose faith, ours or Christ's faithfulness. The effort to present "Christ's faithfulness" in both of the OP options is bogus.
Are we justified because of our faith? No, of course not. We undergo the washing of regeneration to be "made righteous." Thus we are justified by receiving the reconciliation provided by Christ's faithfulness in the sacrifice of His life on the cross.
The question I have asked again and again is why does God credit as righteousness the faith of believers per Romans 4:23-25? I do not think any Calvinist has provided a sensible answer. Or why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth?
In summary we were justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.
Are we justified because of our faith? No, of course not. We undergo the washing of regeneration to be "made righteous." Thus we are justified by receiving the reconciliation provided by Christ's faithfulness in the sacrifice of His life on the cross.
The question I have asked again and again is why does God credit as righteousness the faith of believers per Romans 4:23-25? I do not think any Calvinist has provided a sensible answer. Or why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth?
In summary we were justified on the basis of Christ's faithfulness.
Brightfame52
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You dont believe the promise, Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Justification by Faith is the promised blessing of Abraham.
However you hijack Faith out of the promise and turn it into a condition man must do. Thats handling the word deceitfully friend.
Why are addressing me with your assertion of mind-reading.
And why do not address my many posts on Galatians 3:8?
From post # 257:
God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
God sent Jesus as His Lamb of God, that is the blessing that God promised Abraham.
Everyone believing into Him (Jesus, the Lamb of God) will have everlasting life. That is a conditional blessing.
Salvation is not a promised blessing to any specific individual before they believe. That claim is false.
Brightfame52
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You making a condition out of something that is promised. Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
The promised blessing is God would Justify the heathen through Faith. You subvert that and make the blessing contingent on faith/believing.
Brightfame52
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So Justification by Faith as promised to Abraham Gal 3:8 is a matter of Gods Sovereignty, that their will be some Justified by Faith, their Justification will be apprehended by Faith, so Faith is promised with Justification.
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