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Indeed we are nothing in our own. But Christ Jesus, is in all! As He never leaves nor forsakes us.

 

Irrational and frankly pathetic stupidity!

No "free-willer" that can think has ever once said or even implied "that God cannot be just without giving him a chance of being saved"! This is a stupidly foolish nonsensical and idiotic thing to say that not one single human being with any working brain cells in his head has ever said.

Show me the quote!!

Go ahead! Show it to me. Show me even one single time when anyone who believes in free will has ever said such a mouthful of stupidity!

You won't do it because such a quote does not exist.

This jackass who said this was a liar. That's right! He's a liar. He KNEW when he said this that no such teaching existed and his intent was to plant this falsehood in the mind's of his readers because it is an easy straw-man to knock down. Mr, Gadsby should be ashamed of himself and you ought to be embarrassed by his dishonest tactics. Instead, you applaud and propagate this nonsense because you enjoy how the lie tickles your ears.

The fact is that God could have just as easily (far more easily actually) killed both Adam and Eve when they sinned in Eden. He was not required to provide any means of rescue for mankind but chose to do so because He loves His creation and desires greatly to have a relationship with us and so finds the cost of sacrificing the life of His only begotten Son a worthy price to pay for the benefit of having a never ending relationship with those who choose to respond to Him in faith and accept His free gift of salvation. No one forced Him to do it and there was no moral obligation for Him to do it. He was able to do it and decided that the benefit was worth the price and so decided He wanted to do it and He did so. A thought process that Calvinists don't even believe God capable of, by the way.

God is just, therefore Calvinism is false!

 

Just musing but it seems to me that if anyone was chosen before the foundation of the earth it would be Adam. After God created him he said it was very good.

Gen 2:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Even the tempter in the garden was created perfect and was good before his fall.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day (which was the fourth day) that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

How does this work in Calvinism? It seems that sin is ordained of God and is good or there is free will all over the place.

 

Excellent point!

The Calvinist response to this is intentionally and flagrantly, even proudly self-contradictory. They simply declare that God predestined every action anyone has ever performed whether in thought, word or deed, but without subverting that person's will or becoming the author of sin.

That's there entire "argument"! They declare that to be true and offer nothing by way of explanation of how it isn't contradictory. They simply declare that it isn't contradictory and leave it at that and count their willingness to believe it is spite of it apparent contradictory nature as a mark of faith and piety.

 

Did you eve notice that the self-righteous seem to think they know better than God?

Things like, "Just musing but it seems to me that if anyone was chosen before the foundation of the earth it would be Adam. After God created him he said it was very good.'

Or, "The fact is that God could have just as easily (far more easily actually) killed both Adam and Eve when they sinned in Eden. He was not required to provide any means of rescue for mankind but chose to do so because He loves His creation and desires greatly to have a relationship with us and so finds the cost of sacrificing the life of His only begotten Son a worthy price to pay for the benefit of having a never ending relationship with those who choose to respond to Him in faith and accept His free gift of salvation. No one forced Him to do it and there was no moral obligation for Him to do it. He was able to do it and decided that the benefit was worth the price and so decided He wanted to do it and He did so. A thought process that Calvinists don't even believe God capable of, by the way.'

Just so many, "God could've, should've, would've' etc."

They need our prayers.

 

That passage is talking about the real king of Tyre and God says who and what he is;
You just can't believe what he says.

Ez 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

He was created on day 4 and iniquity was not found in him until Adam was placed by God in the Garden of Eden along with his wife. It seems as if he considered Adam a threat. (only by pride cometh contention)

Mt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


Ez 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Re 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

1. 'Lie'?, 'Neither of us'? So you do consider yourself part of the self-righteous crowd. Also, I never mentioned any names. I myself have heard some of the self-righteous crowd use 'Should've'. Soooo, you you are wrong there. You owe me an apology. But, I won't hold my breath waiting.

2. I see your 'fruit' showing again. Your examples have nothing to do with what I wrote, God IS God. You, my friend, are not. My quotes I used previously stand uncorrected. Actually, kind of proves what I wrote.