In not after the fifteenth year.

[37818]

In not after the fifteenth year.

Luke 3:1, Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, . . .
In the second year was 14 AD.. So 27 AD. was in the fifteenth year. The three Passovers in John would be, 28 AD., 29 AD., and 30 AD.. 30 AD. being the Passover of the crucifixion.

 

[JonC]

Tiberius Ceaser reigned from September 17, 14 AD to March 16, 37 AD.

"In the second year" of Tiberius' reign would be between September 15 AD and September 16 AD.

The 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's rein was September 29 AD to September 30 AD.

The reason most Christians reject 30 AD as a possible year of Christ's crucifixion is that this would mean Jesus' ministry lasted about 8 months at the longest.

The most probable year, considering Scripture and Tiberius' reign (e.g., John's account of Christ's ministry) is 33 AD.

 

[JonC]

@37818

I think k it obvious to anybody reading these threads that you have settled on a date and are grasping to make your date work.

You tried using the post-Talmudic Hebrew Calendar. That didn't work because this calendar wasn't used in the 1st century.

Then you used the Talmudic Hebrew Calendar to "prove" your date had to be accurate within 2 days.

You admitted you couldn't know the exact t date but said it didn't matter - this after saying if we did not know the exact date then we could not believe the Resurrection was a historical event.

So now you switch to proving the year in order to use the Talmudic Hebrew Calendar to keep 2 possible dates.


BUT you do this worse than your previous posts.

Tiberius' reign began September 17, 14 AD. You say this means 14 AD was the 2nd year of his reign.

You say this not because it makes sence (it is truly nonsense) but because you seem to think 14 AD has ti be the 2nd year of his reign for the crucifixion to be 30 AD.

For the crucifixion to have occurred in 30 AD Jesus' ministry would have been less than 9 months. But we know it was between 3 and 4 years based on John's Gospel.

Even if we count 3 months and 14 days as 1 year, which you suggest, 30 AD is too early.

That is why most scholars automatically reje t 30 AD. It is too early.

 

[Marooncat79]

Correct

He is all over the map on all of this

the Bible says that Jesus began His ministry “about 30 yrs of age”

 

[37818]

Tiberius' reign began September 17, 14 AD. You say this means 14 AD was the 2nd year of his reign.

There is no year zero.
What year of Tiberius' reign was September 17, 14 AD?
It would be year one. So between September 17, 14 AD and September 17, 15 AD, would be after year one, then can only correctly be in his second year.
In the first century is before year 100.

 

[kyredneck]

Correct

He is all over the map on all of this

the Bible says that Jesus began His ministry “about 30 yrs of age”

“The exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown, but most biblical scholars and ancient historians believe he was born between 4 and 6 BC. …”

 

[JonC]

There is no year zero.
What year of Tiberius' reign was September 17, 14 AD?
It would be year one. So between September 17, 14 AD and September 17, 15 AD, would be after year one, then can only correctly be in his second year.
In the first century is before year 100.

September 17, 14 AD was the day his reign started.

September 17, 14 AD is "the first DAY of his reign.

If we knew the hour....say it was 2pm (just to illustrate) them Sept 17, 24 AD at 2pm would be the first HOUR of his reign.



17 Sep 14 AD to 17 Sep 15 AD is the FIRST YEAR of his reign. I

You erroneously claimed that 14 AD was the 2nd year of his reign to make your math work.

 

[JonC]

In not after the fifteenth year.

Luke 3:1, Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, . . .
In the second year was 14 AD.. So 27 AD. was in the fifteenth year. The three Passovers in John would be, 28 AD., 29 AD., and 30 AD.. 30 AD. being the Passover of the crucifixion.

Look at it this way:

You are placing "in the 1st year" to be BEFORE he reigned.

That is utter nonsense.

 

[37818]

September 17, 14 AD was the day his reign started.

Correct. There is no year zero. So his reign began as year I. So September 15 AD is year II.

 

[37818]

Look at it this way:

You are placing "in the 1st year" to be BEFORE he reigned.

That is utter nonsense.

So when is AD 0 after BC 1?

 

[37818]

He is all over the map on all of this

We have a better chance to Biblically deducing an actual historical date for Christ's crucifixion and resurrection than a date for His birth.

Some dates we know to have been proposed for His crucifixion:

Julian 30 AD Friday April 7.

Julian 33 AD Friday April 3.

Julian 30.AD Wednesday April 5.

Julian 30 AD Thursday April 6.

Julian 31 AD Wednesday April 25.

Only the last 4 bave a Hebrew Calendar clearly associated with those.

 

[37818]

September 17, 14 AD was the day his reign started.

Others cite September 18, 14 AD.

 

[JonC]

So when is AD 0 after BC 1?

There is not an AD 0. The 1st century AD ends when the 2nd begins.

But we are talking about the reign of Tiberius, not a calendar.

His reign had a begining (17 Sep 14 AD).

The 1st year of Tiberius' reign was September 14 AD to September 15 AD.

His second year was 15 AD to 16 AD.

 

[37818]

There is not an AD 0. The 1st century AD ends when the 2nd begins.

But we are talking about the reign of Tiberius, not a calendar.

His reign had a begining (17 Sep 14 AD).

The 1st year of Tiberius' reign was September 14 AD to September 15 AD.

His second year was 15 AD to 16 AD.

The start of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, was September 17 or 18 of 14 AD?

 

[JonC]

Others cite September 18, 14 AD.

My memory may be faulty. But doesn't matter.

Sep 14 AD to Sep 15 AD was the 1st year of his reign.

Your counting is off.

 

[JonC]

The start of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, was September 17 or 18 of 14 AD?

His investiture by the Senate was on 17 Sep 14 AD. So his reign began on 17 Sep 14 AD and lasted until his death.

 

[JonC]

Correct. There is no year zero. So his reign began as year I. So September 15 AD is year II.

Yes - Sep 15 AD to Sep 16 AD is the 2nd year of his reign.

Jesus was baptized in the 15th year of his reign.

This would be between Sep 28 AD and Sep 29 AD.

Then Jesus' earthly ministry lasted 3 to 3 1/2 years.

 

[37818]

Yes - Sep 15 AD to Sep 16 AD is the 2nd year of his reign.

Well, I am counting the start of his reign 14AD being counted as year I of his reign. You are taking it as year zero. So I am counting September 15AD as year II. You are taking it as year 1.

Sir Isaac Newton counted the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar to be 29AD. So his crucifixion Julian date, 33AD Friday April 3.

 

[JonC]

Well, I am counting the start of his reign 14AD being counted as year I of his reign. You are taking it as year zero. So I am counting September 15AD as year II. You are taking it as year 1.

Sir Isaac Newton counted the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar to be 29AD. So his crucifixion Julian date, 33AD Friday April 3.

Uh....no. There is no year zero. "In the first year" began Sep 14 AD and lasted.....well....a year.

You said that 14 AD was the second year of Tiberius' reign because his reign started Sep 14 AD.

That is asinine. We all know that is false.

The first year of his reign is Sep 14 AD to Sep 15 AD.

You could interpret it as calendar years as well. Here the 1st year would be q4 AD and the 2nd 15 AD.

But it is impossible that 14 AD was the 2nd year of a reign that began in 14 AD.


Biden is in the 4th year of his presidency. His presidency started Jan 2021. By your counting he is in his 5th year of his presidency (2021 being his 2nd year).

 

[37818]

Uh....no. There is no year zero. "In the first year" began Sep 14 AD and lasted.....well....a year.

Your sarcasm is noted.
I understand your only going to allow between September,14AD to September 15AD to mean in the first year of his reign. So only between September 28AD to September 29AD to mean in the 15th year.