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Our obedience to the commandments do not result in salvation from Hell.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Aug 18, 2024.

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    Guido Active Member

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    According to Lordship Salvation, believers in Christ have surrendered their wills to Him, and cannot go on disobeying the Lord. Anyone who does, says the Lordship view, has never received salvation.

    There are a number of warnings written in scripture that warn against disobeying Christ, and are written to those having already trusted in Christ. And from the text it is clear in a very strong way, that the warnings are not for the lost, but for the redeemed. Now without the potential for violation by those to whom they are written, what is the purpose for the writers having written them down?

    In light of this, there lacks no evidence, that there is salvation on those who can disobey, and that everlasting life, irrevocable, cannot be taken away by disobedience. Therefore obedience is neither the cause nor the keeper of one's salvation, and all the plain verses of eternal life signify plainly that it is a gift.
     
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    Outstanding question.

    But, when it's understood that God's redeemed, born from above children are capable of doing everything they're told not to do in The Book, it becomes an irrelevant question concerning eternal security.
     
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    Can you cite some that you have in mind?
     
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    That is not the view of Lordship Salvation

    The LS view, as I understand it is that believers SHOULD have a transformed life that is capable, by indwelling God Holy Spirit, to obey the commandments of God and avoid sin.

    Still, all sin and fall short. Those that refuse to repent and continue in sin, resisting God Holy Spirit and the church in correcting them from their sin, SHOULD NOT have assurance of salvation.

    If a person makes a profession of faith, but there is no transformed life, then, as James stated, they have a dead faith.

    I don’t declare anyone saved or unsaved and I do believe LS is an accurate teaching from scripture.

    peace to you
     
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    Galations, Hebrews, and 2 Peter all contain warning passages which believers are able to violate. It is implied by this that believers do not automatically live in a godly manner, and can even live in a very sinful manner.
     
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    Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    1 John 5;4, For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

    1 John 3:23, And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
     
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