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There are 7 days in the week.
The Sabbath is the 7th day.

1 Aviv began when at least two messengers reported having seen a sliver of moon after the new moon. The messengers were separated and asked a series of questions. The Sanhedrin woukd decide if the reports were true. If they accepted the reports as true then a torch in Jerusalem was lit and those outside of Jerusalem followed suit, announcing the start of Aviv.

So yes, by definition the date cannot be known be cause we cannot know all of the circumstances that could have postponed the start of the month.

Now, if we use your calendar for a good guess (and I do) then we can fairly easily calculate Friday April 3, 33AD as the probable date of the crucifixion because it is the only date that aligns with Biblical history.

But it is still assuming visual observation was accurate.

 

@37818

What date did you come up with?

 

Yes.

Like I said REPEATEDLY, that is the calendar I use to calculate dates.

The reason is we cannot calculate forecasts, but we can lunar cycles. It's the best we have.

My point is that we cannot state a date as a fact because do not know the visual observation (what they spied with their little eyes).

We know IF it was not overcast THEN they probably saw the sliver of moon and IF the Sanhedrin agreed with the report it is a correct date.

But stating it as fact is assuming and I do not believe we should be careless with God's Word.

 

In a Biblical view it is not. That is the problem with your insistence that we impose a calendar not used at the time on the 1st century.

This is the point - you dismiss Biblical history.

 

@37818

What date did you come up with?

 

Yea....I couldn't recall the date.

So.....per your view:

1. Jesus was baptized in the 13th year of Tiberius' reign

2. Jesus arose on the 4th day

3. John lied about the day if Jesus' crucifixion being the day before Passover and a Sabbath.

Your date is unbiblical and too early.

 

It does not matter what your understanding is. You do reject Biblical history.

Otherwise you would have known about the issues with the 1st century Hebrew Calendar system, about Tiberius' reign, and about the differences in Passover observance between Jewish sects.

You didn't even know there were three distinct (different) Hebrew Calendar systems.

It may have been mere ignorance when you started these threads, but now it is rejection.

You seek to divorce the crucifixion from history, to blend the Old Testament with the New, to ignore centuries of history between the two Testaments.....in essence, to create a Christian mythology apart from history.

By your reasoning Julius Caesar never actually lived because, while recorded in history, he is not mentioned in the Bible.

We cannot divorce the crucifixion from history, as an actual historical event, without making the crucifixion nothing but a myth.

 

Nowhere in God's Word does it say how they observed the Passover in the 1st century. I absolutely agree.

For that we have to read 1st century accounts.

Another departure from tge Law is the lack of a priest when families sacrificed.


Jesus could not have eaten the Sadducee's Passover. But He could the Galilean Passover.

The reason is they would have been killing the Passover 24 hours before. They observed the evening at the start of Nisan 14 as Passover while the Temple observed the evening at the end as Passover.

 

You are wrong.

Not most but all agree that Tiberius' 15th year was 28-29 AD.

Those who date the crucifixion at

You are wrong. It is not that most do not agree. All do not agree. The reason is the math is wrong.

This is why those who want a 30 AD date insist that Tiberius must have ruled with Augustus before he reigned alone.

If you are saying Jesus was crucified on Thursday but did not die until after sundown then the 1st day of the week would be that 3rd day.

But if you are saying Jesus died on Thursday before dark then He arose on the 4th day (the 1st day of the week).

John is very clear. Jesus was crucified the day before Passover which was also a Sabbath. There is no misinterpreting "Passover" because as a day it is always Passover (as a week it is 7 or 8 days depending on the Jewish sect).

You need to study Biblical history and then revisit this topic.

 

Let's test it out:

Biblical history:

1. The 1st century Jews were composed of several sects. The Galilean Passover was killed in the afternoon of 13 Nisan while the Judean Passover was killed on the afternoon of 14 Nisan. Both considered this to be observing the Law. But Pharisees were more liberal in their interpretations.

2. The 15th year of Tiberius' reign was Sep 28 AD to Sep 29 AD.

3. The 15th year in which Tiberius reigned is 28 AD.

4. Tiberius was made the Roman military tribute after the death of Gaius in 4 AD.

5. The 1st century Jews used the Biblical Hebrew Calendar which was based on visual observation rather than calculation. This would start changing over the next few centuries.


That is Biblical history. You have repeatedly stated that you reject Biblical history, noting that most of the 1st century historical events and methods are not recorded in the Bible and therefore should be ignored.


Biblical history, like American history, is not subjective. People can have ideas about history that are subjective, but history itself is objective.

You do, in fact, reject Biblical history. You reject 1st century history unless it is recorded in Scripture, which means you are clueless regarding the 1st century environment and culture.