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Do Biden/Harris owe the world an apology?
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To give credit to the smears used to tarnish opponents is to support demonic campaign practices.
What will Trump try to do?
1) Close the border
2) Defund Iran
3) Strengthen American manufacturing of critically needed items, such as pharmaceuticals and defense chips.
What will Harris try to do?
1) Green New Deal
2) Flip Red States Blue by having migrants vote.
3) Support teacher's Union policies that make our schools to no effect.
Always remember this, God uses "broken reeds" to support His ministry. We all fall short of what God would have us think and do.
God uses, and has used, evil that men do to accomplish His plan.
The problem is when we look at Joseph's brothers as the heros for selling him into slavery because God used this in His plan.
The "powers of darkness" are not, actually, a part of God's ministry. They may, however, be a part of His plan.
1) Was doing evil advocated? Nope
2) Was the fact that God sometimes uses the powers of darkness to accomplish His purpose at issue? Nope
3) Does scripture clearly and repeatedly indicate Christians to act against the forces of darkness in the world? Yes
The Democrat Party has aligned itself with the forces of darkness and Christians should act in unity to oppose their agenda of godless behavior.
Is the poorly thought out plan to leave Afghanistan the central issue facing our choice of which political party to support? Nope. Is returning the lawfulness of abortion to state legislation the main issue? Nope
Is weaponizing the Department of Justice? Nope. Are the non-stop false charges against Trump, such as Russian collusion, or the "Steel Dossier?" Nope
We should not align ourselves with those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. We have two jobs to do, strive to become more Christ-like, and act effectively as Ambassadors of Christ with the ministry of reconciliation. Full Stop
Christforums
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Apology to the "World?", the World should be thanking them!
I am not saying you advocated anything.
I am saying that this election Christians can decide to support the "powers of darkness" in a few flavors (two are the DNC and the GOP).
One way we can know many Republicans have suppressed the truth in unrighteousness- just as the DNC does - is their policy of hypocrisy.
Did the DNC lie? Absolutely. @KenH bought into their propaganda.
BUT so did the GOP.
The GOP also weapinized the judicial system (against Hunter Biden) for political reasons - specifically with the gun charge (not that he was innocent, but that had his father not been President it woukd have never been an issue).
Trump is just as guilty of lying as is Harris.
Trump is not in favor of banning abortion, so that argument holds no water.
Point is many Christians will compromise their faith to support Trump as a "lesser evil", as one who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness but those lies benefit their agenda, to combat what is a greater evil in the DNC.
Nowhere does Scripture instruct Christians to act against the powers of darkness except to guard themselves against these powers and stand.
Rather than doing so many Christians will participate in the powers of darkness in order to fight against what they see as a greater evil and to impose Christian values on the World.
They are ungodly "Christians". Perhaps poos not as bad as professing Christians who support Harris, but definitely not on par with faithful Christians.
Christforums
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Bureaucracy, I hate it.
I see politics today as Bureaucracy. Either way, if patriotic, do not sabotage or set out to destroy our nation. For me, this realization occurred in the Armed Service, the President and Commander and Chief are the same person but different aspects. I no longer had the right to question or speak freely about the Commander and Chief while in uniform. Since then the image of armed service members might of changed, however, I prefer to stay clear of politics. I am debating whether to vote, my main concern at this time was the voting record and the privacy thereof, especially if voted party has not won. Once targeted always targeted. I hate this Socialist state of government today and see socialized medicine as the main developer of Liberal ideology in local and state wide academia. At this point in life I couldn't care less about political opinion and is why I try to steer clear of such debates.
I have two flags flying in front of my house and one is not the Trump flag. However, my heart is symbolized most after One. Though the Star of David represent Israel, the flag also represents the House of David, the L-RD is my shield, And for your patriots, I have been told to get off U.S. soil because of the Israeli flag, however, with respect to proper flag code the flag of Israel flies a little lower than the American flag.
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I always voted, but over the last couple of decades struggled with the practice. Either way you end up supporting a "power of darkness".Bureaucracy, I hate it.
I see politics today as Bureaucracy. Either way, if patriotic, do not sabotage or set out to destroy our nation. For me, this realization occurred in the Armed Service, the President and Commander and Chief are the same person but different aspects. I no longer had the right to question or speak freely about the Commander and Chief while in uniform. Since then the image of armed service members might of changed, however, I prefer to stay clear of politics. I am debating whether to vote, my main concern at this time was the voting record and the privacy thereof, especially if voted party has not won. Once targeted always targeted. I hate this Socialist state of government today and see socialized medicine as the main developer of Liberal ideology in local and state wide academia. At this point in life I couldn't care less about political opinion and is why I try to steer clear of such debates.
I have two flags flying in front of my house and one is not the Trump flag. However, my heart is symbolized most after One. Though the Star of David represent Israel, the flag also represents the House of David, the L-RD is my shield :
Reading the apologetics of the early church, explaining to Roman pagans why they abstain from politics, I have grown more to appreciate their position. If Rome had not made its government "Christian" there is a possibility Christians would have maintained those original values.
That does not mean we, who abstain, have no right to comment on the world. But it means our stand is different and our observation is related to discernment rather than trying to make the World behave properly.
I guess one of the main questions one must ask is what exactly are they trying to accomplish by supporting a secular political power.
It isn't spreading the gospel. It isn't standing for Christ. It isn't standing in His Word.
It is making the World less the enemy of God that Scripture describes it to be.
In the US we have 2 major parties. Which is more dangerous to America? The DNC (obviously).
BUT which is more dangerous to the church?
The wolf that does not disguise its appearance but openly embraces the demonic (the DNC)....or the wolf that wears sheep's clothing (the GOP)?
As a Christian I believe we have to decide exactly who it is that we will serve. I don't believe we can serve two masters.
Christforums
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Thank you @JonC for your sentiments which I align in. It is refreshing to come across others of similar beliefs. I suppose operating within the Secular jurisdiction could slow down or prevent the widespread depravity.
One of the things I learned about the effects of Gospel spreading was empathy. I made the mistake of empathizing, because I had seen the potential of my enemy rather than the reality. Needlessly said, and, thank you for sharing JonC.
If I have to choose between two evils, I reject Satan the puppeteer playing both sides. We are at war against the World.
Shalom
The issue is whether to stand united against the enemies of Christ.
Two wrongs do not make a right, your false claim we cannot support the GOP because they are not perfect is ludicrous. We are to do everything we can to stand firm against the powers of darkness.
I agree. Christians need to be salt and light.
BUT you are not talking about Christians being united in Christ, a beacon of morality and holiness. You are not even talking about being united in reaching out to women who seek abortions or the gay community (two things Trump foes not actually oppose).
Here we are talking about uniting with the powers God warned us to guard against.
In casting your support for Trump, how exactly do you think this accomplishes work for the Kingdom?
Christforums
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Libertarian or Independent sounds more appealing every day. Until then, Constitutional Conservative will do for me. GOP doesn't always receive my vote, sometimes I do not vote. Needlessly said, Liberal and Democrat parties are out of the equation.
I like the idea of libertarianism (to an extent). @KenH recently posted a link to an article by Chase Oliver. In a perfect world, maybe a century and a half ago, that may have worked.
Here's a link to his thread:
Print Interviews With Four Minor Party Presidential Candidates
Christforums
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I agree, autonomous will could never work for the majority not even in a far fetched theocracy. You'll be like god..... knowing good and evil. That is, from the forked tongue, sovereign, able to rule over self, and discern righteously. And as we know throughout the Genesis account to the Sages the Prophets came Judges because Libertarianism failed (what was right in the eyes of every person). And then the Monarchy followed, despite the warning of the Prophet in which a strong economy (horses), military (chariots), and multiplication of wives (peace treaties), lead the peoples astray.
I have been alive long enough to tire of the four year pep rally come every election accompanied by every issue rewrapped. About the best thing to look forward to are local elections when roads are repaved and at the last minute good made on some promises.
Oh wait, here comes debt forgiveness for socialist academia! Pardon me! etc.
Shalom
Because of my work I also see that many of the government oversight we have is needed (just from the nuclear industry).
But I do like getting rid of or reducing many federal level things (give education back to the state, for example).
Christforums
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The United States of America is frame by the Presbyterian governmental framework. The Federal is as you suggest top heavy and is what happens before denominations in the Presbyterian governments fall. Locals vote into chairs the Federal and when the wrong people take seat the power shifts from local to Federal. Generally, the problem already existed at the local level and was done, and that's why the Presbyterian government framed the government as such, to slow down the corruption by checks and balances. Ya have to acknowledge, Calvinist hadn't held anything back in their framework having a firm understanding mankind is depraved and everything he touches is susceptible to corruption. Thirteen colonies and Presidents before the Constitutional Presidents, and on the battlefield of the Revolutionary War 2/3rds having died were from the theology of Calvinism. I tried to research for hard facts the theology of each colony way back when and the name of each ended up being the best indicator of the majority of the peoples theology.
Perhaps the best thing for this nation might be mandatory how to interpret classes in the historical context. Preliminary draft or transcript and needlessly said about what follows. How anybody could deny the Judeo-Christian roots of this nation for example, and suggest the first amendment protects Satan worship is beyond conceivable. I cannot vote for a Mormon let alone for Roman Catholic supreme court judges. Where are the limits of discernment? Was any standard whatsoever set for the chair of elected representative? A worst mistake has to be no longer having to serve in the military for the position of Commander and Chief. I cannot respect the runners let alone cast my vote in good conscience for a righteous man.
I don’t follow your logic. Please explain.