The Social Gospel?

Action is action. You are pretending that the only thing we can do as a Christian is vote. You are wrong.

A Christoan can abstain from politics and still take action in standing for Christ.

Jesus, the Disciples, and the Early Church abstained from secular politics. This doesn't mean inaction.

List the actions of Hesus and the Disciples.

Note that NONE of their actions were within secular politics. They sought to influence people (individuals).

You again make false claims about God. That is going too far.

Provide passages of Jesus and the Disciples supporting a political movement to change secular government.

 

You are making false statements again.

I never advocated standing aside.
I never said Jesus stood aside.

And this demonstrates the danger with Christians unitingvwith the World, focused on the concerns of the World.

You have allowed the World to compromise your character, to make false claims about me, and about God.

I said that we are to take action as Jesus, the Disciples, and the Early Church took action.

Post passages of Jesus engaging the secular government to me the World better.

Post passages of Jesus changing the oppressive government.

Post passages of Jesus addressing the government


You can't. He focused on individuals to change individuals - not the Riman government to make their policies and the World more godly.


Give us thise passages.

 

Agsin with the false claims.

You are allowing the World to destroy your character and witness.

I do see Jesus standing against evil. I have repeatedly said this is the stand we should take as Christians.

I provided many passages.

You claim Jesus engaged the Workd through secular politics to change the World.

You claim that had Jesus not engaged the government (Rome) through political means He would be supporting evil.

BUT you can provide NO PASSAGES to support your claim.

All you have provided is false accusations and invented things about God.

This is what happens when Christiana choose the World over Christ, when they put their hand to the plow and look back, becoming consumed with the concerns of the World.

 

You are wrong to continue with false claims.

I have repeatedly said we are to follow the example of Jesus. We are to take action. But we are to do kingdom work in kingdom ways.


How did Jesus and the disciples and the early church stand against evil? I am saying DO AS THEY DID.

You call that inaction. But you provide no Biblical examples of Jesus or the disciples engaging the World through secular politics.


How do we take action? We proclaim truth. And we do so boldly. We help those in need. We reach individuals. We seek out those who are considering abortion as their only option and show them a better way. We witness to those migrants coming through our boarders. We witness to and pray for our leaders. We guard against evil.

Post passages of Jesus engaging the World through secular politics.

Which political sect did He join? Which did He support?

 

The issue is that I am saying we ARE to stand as Christ and Hos disciples did. That IS action.

I provided passages describing their action ans said that is what we SHOULD do. That is what I advocate doing.

BUT that is not what you ate talking about. You are talking about political action within a secular politics system.

Jesus COULD have supported a political sect. Paul COULD have taken a political stance towards the Roman senate. Jesus COULD have been active politically to address immorality, economic oppression, abortion, etc. in the government.

BUT HE DIDN'T. HIS DISCIPLES DIDNT.

By your standard Jesus supported evil by not being politically active.


AGAIN - you provide no passages, just unsubstantiated claims that fail the test of Scripture.

Can you even provide one passage that Jesus supported a political sect to influence the World?????

No, of course you can't.

We must take action - but we have to do kingdom work in kingdom ways.

 

Scripture tells us why the government crucified Jesus. The Jews gave Him over to be killed.

Scripture tells us why the Jews handed Him over. They feared He would spark a rebellion (they viewed Jesus as being.....well.....like you....but Jesus corrected them).

Public education is what our tax money is used for, and I agree that is not socialism. Those funds build and maintain schools, pay utilities, education materials, staff and teachers. I get that.

But you are talking about the government paying parents to send their children to private schools. That is different.

THE MAIN POINT, however, is what compromises you are willing to make to get what you want.

You answered that you will support Trump.

This means you will support the citizens right to decide whether to allow abortions as birth control. This means you will support gay/ transgender communities (I'm not saying the government should oppress them, but the support provided is not Christian).

That is what Christians need to decide. What do you want? What compromises are you willing to make to get what you want?


I view you as a political evil because I am opposed to the support of abortion and the normalization of alternate lifestyles by our church members.

You view school. choice as a good that outweighs immorality.

 

I don't have a problem with protecting one's family.

I'd prefer shoot to wound. In KY this is known as "let 'em die slowly".

I would not shoot somebody who was trying to take my property (I own nothing more valuable than a human life).

If it were me and an intruder I'd be less likely to shoot. But to protect my family I would.

Come to think of it....bear spray would be more effective (don't have to aim well, don't have to worry about a bullet going through and hitting somebody else, and the guy isn't going to shoot you after being sprayed)

 

God's command to resist evil still applies.

I'm not sure why you think that defending my family from an intruder would be evil. I need you to provide a bit more about that conclusion.

 

We are to resist evil in our lives.

And Jesus also said "resist not evil" (in the context of people doing evil to you....they did the same to Him).

Insofar as getting involved in the World, I believe we should follow Jesus' example.

We are involved, but through Christ (not by becoming of the World).


In Jesus' time they lived under a fairly oppressive government. There was immorality. There were abortions. The tax policy was unjust. Homosexuality was practiced and advocated by that community. There were political divisions.

Which political sect did Jesus join? What did Jesus say about those secular groups?

What about Paul? He never engaged the worldly powers to change the world, much less participate in politics. He told Christians that they were once like those in the world, but he didn't become a part of that World.


And then you have the compromises. Politics is compromise.

Anybody who supports the GOP, DNC, or Libertarian party are actively supporting abortion as choice.

Each has to decide of that is worth what they think they may gain.

In terms of your question, I would not try to kill anybody to defend my family. But I would try to defend them. I certainly wouldn't shoot somebody just for breaking in my house.

As far as the verses go, I have already provided them in this thread.

 

@Mikoo

I think one of the biggest issues about becoming a part of the World to change the World is we have to comoromise our faith.

You, for example, cannot support a political party in the US without supporting abortion as a choice (either an individual right or an issue for the people to decide).

But that is how our politics is designed (it is a government of the people), so by definition it is evil and a compromise. It is worldly.