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The real Problem are the Anti Israel Palestinians.

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by 37818, Sep 6, 2024.

  1. JonC

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    When one state goes into another and murders 1,200 civilians, kidnaps 130, after years of sporadic missile attacks war is bound to happen.

    Heck, if Canada just fired 5 rockets at New Jersey we'd be at war with Canada.

    War was inevitable when Palestine committed mass murder. Israel was obligated to do all it could to prevent future mass murders.

    I'm sure you also remember the PLO and rise of Hamas (you are older than me....a geezer :Tongue). I think anybody over 50 realizes what woukd have happened had Israel not chosen war.

    You are right about evil in the world. It is easy for us to see Palestine as evil because we know it's history. All of the resources Pakestine has been given has been put into terrorism.

    But Israel (like the United States, UK, Canada, etc.) is not Christian. In the world we will have war.
     
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    Attacking children (though it is a part of some wars) is not war. Period. It is murder.
     
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    Ironically it is Israel's fault for disobeying God. In the OT God commanded Israel to kill every man, woman, child, baby, ox, etc. They didn't. But I believe they were intended to be an enemy.

    The readon is ideology. Palestine was never a nation while Israel was on that land. Jews and Arabs occupied that land for a very long time, and as enemies.

    Palestinian law holds that Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. The Ottoman Empire ended early last century, and a couple of decades later Israel became a nation once again in the Jewish homeland.

    There was a similar situation (not as long as history of conflict) in the Balkins.

    Israel was a nation on that land, later the Arabs had the land, then it was controlled by the Brittish, then Israel was back on that land.
     
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    As far as I know the only people that uses children as a part of war is Arab countries (strapping suicide vests on small children, using schools as a part of their military infrastructure, etc.).

    When Palestine killed Israeli children it was a terrorist act but not actually war. Israel's response was war (once both parties were involved).

    In this current conflict, Israel is the party that has not targeted children. They have avoided civilian deaths to an extent (they didn't have to issue warnings and could have intentionally attacked non-military targets but didn't).
     
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    Whatever God's believing children did does not concern unbelieving Israel or anyone else today. No relation.

    God will not give it to them till the end when they are saved. Until then, they can consider themselves evicted as far as God goes.


    When they attacked and drove the population out. But it never became theirs in God's eyes.Or the rightful owners eyes.


    Only because God gave it to them and drove the enemies out. God is not with Israel today, they are unbelievers as a state.


    It was meant to be a shared thing. Still nothing to do with God. They are there in a sea of non Jewish people whom they have offended and stole from and killed. They are engaged in mass murdering their neighbours. Not in war. They will be in war soon. God is sending nations down there. We know that most in Israel will die according to prophesy. I used to think it was the big bad Muslims that were so out of it that they did not know Satan had deceived them into mindlessly hating Jews. Now I consider that a group of nations coming to stop the genocide (and possibly strip Israel of nuclear weapons, if they use them and need to be disarmed) will be a form of police action. Brought by God.
     
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    The people in general do not do that. Only some fanatics. No excuse to mass murder a population.

    [/quote]When Palestine killed Israeli children it was a terrorist act but not actually war. [/quote]
    It was pointed out to you several times that it was terrorists, not 'Palestine' that killed people. (and that many of those killed were actually by Israel). Yet you purposefully slander the Palestinians by claiming they kill children.


    Not true it was terrorism and mass murder, not war. They attacked an unarmed population.

    They displaced 400,000 children just this week or so actually. They killed many tens of thousands of a population that consisted largely of children. The people in Gaza are killing NO children. They are fleeing for their lives and being starved to death.

    The warnings were a cruel joke. Many many died obeying those warnings.
     
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    When Palestine killed Israeli children it was a terrorist act but not actually war. [/quote]
    It was pointed out to you several times that it was terrorists, not 'Palestine' that killed people. (and that many of those killed were actually by Israel). Yet you purposefully slander the Palestinians by claiming they kill children.


    Not true it was terrorism and mass murder, not war. They attacked an unarmed population.


    They displaced 400,000 children just this week or so actually. They killed many tens of thousands of a population that consisted largely of children. The people in Gaza are killing NO children. They are fleeing for their lives and being starved to death.

    The warnings were a cruel joke. Many many died obeying those warnings.[/QUOTE]

    There scriptures do not support your propaganda. You willingly align yourself with the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 Gog-Magog Alliance of nations because you share their ideology of judging Israel. YOU are not the Judge of Israel.
     
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    You are wrong.

    The people in Gaza have and are killing civilians (to include children....although age doesn't justify murder).

    The people in Gaza are still holding the civilians that they kidnapped when they entered Israel and murdered 1,200 civilians including children.


    Your main complaint appears to be that Israel refuses to die. I am not sure why you seemed surprised that you get labeled as antisemitic.



    All the people in Gaza had to do to prevent this war from occurring was not commit mass murder. That's it.

    All they had to do to live in peace was to stop firing rockets into Israel and killing Israeli children.

    All they had to do to prosper was use the resources given to them, to include resources and opportunities by Israel, for prosperity instead of using those resources to fund terrorism, build tunnels, make rockets and bombs.


    You ask why Palestine hates. They hate because they are evil. Same reason you will find racism among Israelites.


    But you forget that it was the people of Gaza who committed mass murder, who kidnapped US and Israeli civilians including children, who executed many and are still holding the rest as hostages.

    You forget that Israel had allowed the people of Gaza to come into their country for careers, has provided resources to the people of Gaza, has repeatedly called for a Palestinian state as a way to live in peace.

    You have yet to even acknowledge that the reason Israel responded with war is that the people of Gaza escalated their normal attacks against the children in Israel and entered Israel, committed mass murder by killing 1,200 civilians, murdering teenagers at a concert, murdering children, men and women, kidnapped 130 civilians (including US civilians), executed some of these hostages, and that the people of Gaza are still holding hostages in Gaza.


    It is only AFTER you acknowledge the mass murder and stated goal of genocide committed by the people of Gaza that you can discuss, with any legitimately, the response to those crimes.
     
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    It was Palestine. It was the Palestinian government and the people of Palestine. The people of Gaza were the terrorists. The people of Gaza actually celebrated when the mass murders occurred.

    The rockets and explosives that Gaza were using were being assembled by the people of Gaza in the apartment buildings where the people of Gaza lived.

    The people of Gaza are still holding hostages (not long ago the people of Gaza murdered hostages that they were hiding in a refugee camp to prevent rescue).

    The people of Gaza built tunnels under their city to facilitate terroristic activities.

    The people of Gaza used schools, apartments, and hospitals as their military infrastructure.


    You are ignorant to pretend that these terrorists entered Gaza and then simply went on to Israel.

    Palestine committed mass murder. These were people of Gaza. This was the Palestinian government chosen and supported by the people, manned by the people.
     
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    Such as?


    Not true at all. I share the words of Jesus. He loves children. I do not care who is starving,freezing,displacing,and mass murdering people, it is wrong and not according to scriptures as you alluded. Those who do such things judge themselves. God already told us it was bad. Sorry if you thought unbelievers occupying Israel got a get out of jail free card on that one.



    God is. He brings nations down and allows 2/3 of Israel to be killed. So if God puts his hooks in the king of the north to come down, then this is God and not me judging. If God allows 2/3 of Israel to be killed, that is God judging. Not us. If God allowed Jerusalem to be burned in the past, that was Him judging. When Israel is engaged in killing the widows and orphans and innocents in other nations, no one needs to 'judge' that this is bad! God already told us and most people on earth already know it who have not yet even come to know God!
     
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    Sometimes we see "antisemitic" used as an insult or tool to stop conversations. With the case of @dad2 we are talking about antisemitism.

    He presents "terrorists" as attacking Israrl, and their response to "terrorists" was to attack Palestine.

    Palestine attacked Israrl. Palestine committed mass murder against Israel by murdering 1,200 civilians (including Jewish children) and kidnapping 130 (including babies and US citizens). Palestine executed many, and taped the execution.

    This was Palestine - it was the Palestinian government - it was supported by the people of Gaza - it was celebrated in the streets by the people of Gaza - the people who committed the mass murder were Palestinians.


    @dad2 's complaint is that when Palestine committed the mass murder if Jews that Israel responded.
     
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    Oh? Name three toddlers that were holding hostages? What people? It was an organization called Hamas that took hostages. And it is the state of Israel that took far far far more hostages and holds them in jail for no reason. In other words, terrorists on both sides took hostages. The people did not. You are wrong.


    Not true, the complaint of the world is that Israel is engaged in terrorism and mass murder and is making children die.

    Look up the meaning of the word. It has nothing to do with compassion on innocent people being killed. Nor with pretending that semetic people are exempt from being exposed for doing so.



    You do not get to ascribe a list of things poor people in a prison camp have to do, to avoid being mass murdered, sorry.

    If they can't trade freely and have a port and airport and travel and etc etc etc etc how is it you propose they do anything? If sympathetic nations gave them money and it ended up in the hands of leaders that used it for arms, who is to blame? In the west most people I would guess do not support sending fortunes to Ukraine for their war! Nor sending fortunes to Israel for their terrorism. Are you suggesting that all people in the west are guilty also and worthy to be mass murdered starved and tortured?


    I don't think I asked that question at all actually? Now you judge all children and women and civilians there as evil! How unchristian and blatantly false.

    Racism is not the issue there. Murdering children and civilians is the issue there.


    Why not tell the truth? The people did no such thing. The terror organization there did.

    Allowing your prisoners to work under certain conditions is fine. Hardly a world class charity act.

    The people of Gaza did nothing of the sort. Hamas did. Be honest. Not all the people killed were even killed by by those terrorists but also by Israel. Israel is holding hostages that the prison camp resistance/terrorist outfit tried to free by exchanging hostages.


    AFTER you stop slandering the people of Gaza by pretending they are all terrorists can we be honest here
     
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    The innocent people and children of Gaza did none of what you falsely accuse them of. The state of Israel did everything we discussed here. God is against them.
     
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    No we are talking about you calling compassion for children a foolish name that is dishonest.

    Better rewrite that gibberish it makes no sense

    They do not even have an army. Some resistance fighter terrorists in that prison camp attacked their oppressors.

    Palestine is a people, not a terrorist outfit. Innocent women and children etc. Your unchristian slander is unbecoming

    The so called government are little more than prison camp hoodlums as far as it appears to me so far.

    Responding is what you call displacing 400,000 children and mass murdering tens of thousands (several times that number according to some)? The rest of the world and God calls it something else.
     
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    They killed tens of thousands of people with bombing night and day. Your claim that none of the bombs were 'targeted' is laughably false

    A false accusation about antisemtism from you is duly noted also

    anti-Semitic
    adjective
    an·ti-Se·mit·ic
    ˌan-tē-sə-ˈmi-tik,
    ˌan-tī-

    also -ˈme-

    : relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

    Pointing out that the state of Israel is murdering tens of thousands of people and displacing hundreds of thousands is fact. Not hostility. It was already explained to you that no matter who mass murders children it is evil. That is not about Jews. In this case it is the Jewish state that is doing it. Pointing that out is anything but antisemetism. Try to stop slandering me as well as slandering the Palestinian people as you have been doing. Tks.
     
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    I'll name two. The children of Doron Katz-Asher.

    The people of Gaza supported Hamas. Hamas is the elected government. The people of Goza praised their mass murder of Jews.

    How old are you? (I'm asking because you seem to be influenced by a type of propaganda that targets those who ate unfamiliar with the issue).
     
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    Describing a war Israel undertook to deefend againat fiture attack as targeting children is antisemitic.

    You can't even come to terms with the fact that Palestine committed mass murder and kidnapped civilians (including clouding two toddlers) which sparked the war.

    The reason is you have accepted Islamic antisemitic propaganda.

    Oh, you say, Palestine did not attack Israel...it was some shadow organization....not the Palestinian government and soldiers comprised of the citizens of Gaza....and the civilians in Gaza?....no..they did not celebrate, call for the death of Jews and Anericans world wide, call for the destruction of Israel...

    You are antisemitic because of your discrimination and hatred of Jewish people (men, women, children, and babies).


    I grant you may be blind to your antisemitism. But I think most here can see it on full display.


    Where we grieve for the people killed by Palestinian's mass murder on Oct 7, and the civilians killed as the people of Gaza fired rockets into Israel neighborhoods during the years before, and the Palestinians killed as a result of war, you choose a different position.

    You choose to support an ideology that seeks to murder Jews and Americans, that treats women as inferior in worth than men, that seeks the destruction of Israel.

    I doubt anybody here could not picture you holding a "from the river to the sea" sign.


    The war would end today IF Palestine would return the hostages.

    That is all that needs to be done. Return the hostages. The war ends


    The people guilty of Palestinian deaths are the Palestinians who committed mass murder and took hostages.

    The people keeping the war going are the Palestinians that continue to refuse to return the hostages.


    ALL that needs to happen tp stop the war is for the Palestinians holding the hostages to return them. That's it.
     
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    That is not a child in Palestine that killed people, sorry. Since you paint all of the people in Palestine as guilty and terrorists basically, you were asked to name a few children that took hostages. Not sure why you posted this?



    What government does not control borders, seashore and airspace? Looking at one article it says Hamas came to power by an armed takeover.
    "armed takeover of Gaza.."

    History of the Question of Palestine - Question of Palestine
    The 'government' that came to power by an armed takeover apparently has little power

    "the power of the PNA was (and is) limited to matters such as culture, education, ID-cards, and the distribution of land and water as per the Oslo Interim Agreement.[A][8]"

    Elections in Palestine - Wikipedia

    It hardly seems proper to hold children and civilians accountable for the actions of an armed group living in an occupied prison camp.
     
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    Yes, that is the complaint of the World. It is also your complaint.

    But the facts are different.

    The fact is Palestinian committed mass murder in Israel on Oct 7 and kidnapped hostages.

    The fact is Israek reacted by going to war against Palestine with the condition that the war would end if the Palestinians return the people they kidnapped.

    The only ones responsible for the killing and continued war is Palestine. All they need to do is return the hostages.

    But their hatred will not allow them to do so.
     
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    Calling a mass murder a war is a crime against language and truth. Murdering masses of civilians and displacing millions (1.3 million just in the new attacks in Lebanon) is targeting civilians and not defence as you claim. Your attempted definition of antisemetic is false.

    Once again you purposefully and hatefully slander a whole people. It was not the people. It was an armed terror group.

    Get out more. Look at the news. The actions of Israel are real and happening. Nothing to do with propaganda.

    You are attempting to demonize children and civilians as a justification to kill them

    There is no dicrimination in admitting that a state is bombing civilians, just because the state happens to be a race you feel is superior! Sorry, God loves all children. Jews and all the rest. You are attempting to smear anyone that tells the truth about civilians being killed with an antisemetic label.


    You are blind to the fact that compassion and God's love for children being mass murdered is a duty of Christians and has no relation to hatred of any kind! On the contrary, it is the mass murderers and those who justify them that hate.


    Lots were killed in the years before. Once again, mostly civilians and mostly by Israel! Having pity for the mass murder of civilians in Gaza does not mean that we also do not have compassion for any other victims.

    Another outright lie. I am seeing a pattern here. I do not support some ideology other than Jesus! Being sad that children are being starved and mass murdered does not mean I share their religion etc.



    Insane slur. Not wanting populations killed and relocated does not make one some sidewalk prophet.


    Or if the US stopped supplying Israel. Etc. Once again it is a mass slaughter rather than a war.


    Hate to break it to you but it is actually the state that is killing them that is guilty.

    Since Israel has far more hostages in jails, what does that say for your argument?
     
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