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The spoken words of the Pope are NOT God’s Word.

peace to you

 

I am not really a Calvinist but often defend them because I so much like the Puritans but I can tell you and any of the Calvinists on here and anywhere else can tell you that all the Calvinistic theology can be and is derived directly from our canon of scripture. The fact that they use Augustine for example should be an encouragement to you but it is not really necessary. The recent books trying to make Calvinism based on Manicheanism have questionable scholarship at best.

The other thing you have to remember is that all of Protestantism agrees with the Apostles Creed and in fact is very unified on the basics of how someone becomes a Christian. The differences involve the philosophy of necessity, predestination and reality of the world we live in. Whether free will is compatible with absolute predestination of events makes no difference at the point of someone coming to Christ and living a life of following Christ.

Yes. It's the errors that came some from the early church fathers but mainly later. Still, Athanasius is a hero to Baptists too. We talked about him in Sunday school today as a matter of fact. But to my earlier point, the ECF had flaws and areas where they needed to develop more also. They had various errors too. There is a whole body of study, and I'd refer you to Michael Kruger, that takes the position heresy was so prominent in the early churches that we probably don't even know what we ended up with and why. That goes too far but the fact is they weren't perfect, and neither are we - and neither is the Roman system.

 

What don't I get? We Baptists consider Athanasias a hero for his work protecting the Trinity too. And don't forget St. Nicholas, who reportedly gave Arias a slap for good measure. But in other areas if you read the ECF's you can tell they had error as well as undeveloped positions on lots of issues.

Like I said, they had errors, and more importantly, they were not your church fathers any more than mine. Roman theology continued to increase the error and corruption until a breaking point was reached.

This is what I meant earlier about simply restating the obvious tenets. You are like the Calvinists on here who used to constantly go back to the TULIP. You can state and restate your belief that the church is infallible and that there is an uninterrupted succession of apostles. I don't care because I don't accept it. If you have nothing else to say just drop it.

 

That is a professed Catholic persuasion.

My persuasion, the New Testament are the sole Apostolic authority.

 

@Cathode . If you want to engage on this site you need to start thinking like a Protestant. Since you are into baptismal regeneration use that as an example.

First. Do you really think the group called Baptists wants to minimize the importance of baptism? Do they teach that it is optional? Go to scripture. Does every discussion of salvation include baptism? If not then why not? Are there warnings in scripture about symbolic things and the possibility of relying on the symbol itself rather than the reality of what is being symbolized? Are you able to observe those who have been water baptized who are obviously living in sin and not regenerated? If you like Augustine, go back and reread his own discussion of his delaying his own baptism so he could get some more sinning out of the way first. Is that an indication of someone who was at a point of understanding or maturity that should be followed to the letter on the procedures true meaning?

I could go on and on but this is the way you have to look at things that are not spelled out explicitly in scripture. You would also need to ask, is it a general rule that symbolic things are used to commemorate, and maybe even a stronger word like validate, confirm, seal something - and yet there be cautions that the physical thing itself is not the literal cause of the commemorated effect? In other words, might it not be wise to be cautious in general about a system that so emphasizes performance of obviously symbolic acts used to help us and our faith rather than just jump over to where "by the working of the work" the whole thing is reduced to a literal physical act?

As a Baptist, I became a believer who was ignorant and young. My baptism, which though I was young I still vividly remember, was a huge help in my own budding faith and it did in my opinion make it a reality to me as I did this with the whole church gathered in order to see it done. I consider it essential, as a Christian, so much so that I cannot think of why someone would forgo their Baptism. As a visible and physical sign it also confirmed my identification with Christ and my church family, who cannot read my mind went on that profession and allowed me to join the visible church. What I do not see in scripture though is a case that the actual act of baptizing with water is in itself, salvific.

You need to start thinking like this and studying scripture like this. Most people who do this end up leaving the Roman church though.

 

The point is, all interpretations and all man made doctrines are subject to error. Even your clergymen. Our scriptures contain no doctrinal errors but may have some translation problems. In addition, your system has a proven track record of corruption and error. You do what you want but if you come on a Baptist forum with this baloney it's going to be called out, at least I used to think so.

 

@Cathode. This is what I was talking about. There is no reason to keep responding to you if all you can do is keep repeating your standard dogma. I know it, but don't accept it. Good day.

 

If we accept the testimony of men, the testimony of GOD is greater-1John 5:9. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, understand? GOD Himself, self-executing.

It is not the Protestants who condemn the Church of Rome, but the Word of GOD, first written by the apostles, mainly by the apostles Paul and John (1 John 2:18-21).
It is not the believers who condemn your Church of Rome, but the Word of GOD by which the Church of Rome with her followers will all be cast into the Hell's fire-Revelation 19:19-21:

19 And I saw the Beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the Beast (the MAN Beast of sea and his woman, the RCC, the great whore) was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him(Revelation 13:11-14), with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the Sword of him that sat upon the horse, which Sword proceeded out of his mouth:

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It was around the year 95AD, or around 65 years after JESUS's acension, JESUS sent seven letters, a letter to the each one of the seven churches of Asia, and left the church of Rome out of His circle and abandoned it because long before the year 95AD the church of Rome had already linked itself first to the Devil, and then to the agents of the Devil within the Roman Empire to kill the apostles and disciples of JESUS.

By the way, 38 years earlier, I mean around the year 57AD, Paul the Apostle wrote an epistle to the church of Rome in which he said and testified that it had been a powerful church and that he loved it so much (Romans 1:8-17), but in the year 57, around 30 years after the crucifixion of JESUS, the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church of Rome to rebuke it due to the idolatry that had taken over the Church and the consequent depravity of the modus vivendi of churchgoers after it was linked to the Roman Empire, and from where the name of the Church comes to this day, i.e. the Roman Catholic Church.

All the messages you have written on this site, I mean, from your 1st message until now, O @athode, they have been written as by a messenger of the Devil, a minister of Satan-2Corinthians 11:13-15 combined with Revelation 12:7-12-, and not as a Minister of GOD.
Get behind us Satan.

 

What the Spirit of Devil says through you and the demonic Pope, your demonic guide, will be burn with everlasting fire. By the way, my Lord JESUS makes it very clear: GOD is He who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-Matthew 10:28. Get ready.

 

You should look to the demonic church you attend, and see that your satanic guide, the Pope, has a demonic NAME of blasphemy in his head-Revelation 13:1.

Unfortunately you are blind, guided by a blind, elected by the Devil as his representative in the Roman Catholic Church.
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