God Deals With All People in Righteousness

[Silverhair]

No.

Your version of the god of your imagination is pretty much like the "superheroes" in modern day Marvel movies - your god can fail, not always achieve his goals, be resisted by his very own creation.

You and I have already previously debated soteriology left, right, up, down, around the sides, and up the middle. If anyone wants to read that, they should search for it on the board. I am not going to plow all that same ground with you again.

The problem for you is that the bible does not fit the imagined version of God that you try to present. Your God hates the vast majority of the people the bible says He loves and for whom the Son went to the cross.

The biblical God loves His creation and wants the best for all of them. But He will not force anyone to spend eternity with Him because that is not loving. Those that freely choose to trust in Him will be with Him those that choose to reject Him will be lost.

I am sorry you have forsaken the bible so that you can follow those errant teachers. Perhaps your version of God will open your eyes if He has determined to do so.

 

[Charlie24]

My hope is 100% in Christ alone. I don't need to "keep tossing" the ground of my salvation about.

I have no doubt of that, Brother.

But God is not pleased being accused of sending man to Hell by His choice.

You can't have it both ways, Ken. god chooses some for Himself, the rest by default are sent to Hell.

I think we should keep tossing it about. Let God work and show Himself.

 

[Silverhair]

Nope.

Romans 3:
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings,
And mightest overcome when thou art judged.

What is that supposed to prove Ken? God is faithful and that does not change because some do not believe in Him.

It is your theological view that leads to the conclusion that God is a liar. By your own words you did that.

Your false theolgy
"Those whom God reprobated before the world from eternity will not be regenerated and will not be given the gift of faith in Christ alone and will not be given the gift of repentance of dead works."

Biblical theology
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

 

[KenH]

You can't have it both ways, Ken.

How do you think that I am trying to have it both ways?

 

[Charlie24]

How do you think that I am trying to have it both ways?

The ungodly Calvinist theory of predestination (and it is a theory) is an accusation against the character of the Almighty God.

Calvinists will not admit to that, they place God doing whatever He chooses and don't want to see this terrible act their theory places God.

It is an open attack on the character of God, and He doesn't like it!

 

[KenH]

The ungodly Calvinist theory of predestination (and it is a theory) is an accusation against the character of the Almighty God.

Calvinists will not admit to that, they place God doing whatever He chooses and don't want to see this terrible act their theory places God.

It is an open attack on the character of God, and He doesn't like it!

You did not explain how you think I am trying to have it both ways?

 

[Charlie24]

You did not explain how you think I am trying to have it both ways?

By belief of the theory you are guilty.

You want to believe the theory and at the same time ignore the accusations against God.

You can't have it both ways, Ken.

 

[Silverhair]

Except that in the soteriological discussions on this board, it is my understanding, that the debate over "ability" is more along the lines of "libertarian free will", that fallen man can choose of his own power to be regenerated, to develop faith in the finished work of Christ alone, and to develop repentance of dead works.

Then you have misunderstood what the discussion was about.
God has given man a free will with which he can choose to trust in or reject Him but that choice does not save the person, God saves the person because of his choice to trust in Him. Eph 1:13, Rom 10:9-10

And anyone can call on God to save them. Rom 10:13

A person is regenerated/born again/saved by God. Eph 2:8; Joh 1:11-13

God must have thought man could hear the truth and change their minds as He told us to do so. Mar.1:15

On Freewill
Here, Jesus gives two imperatives:
metanoeō G3340 (G5720), you must repent, and
pisteuō G4100 (G5720), you must believe.

Repentance and faith (belief) are bound together in one piece (not temporally successive acts). To “repent” (metanoeite Mar_1:4)) is to turn away from an existing object of trust (e.g., oneself). To “believe” (pisteuō, here pisteuete en) is to commit oneself wholeheartedly to an object of faith. (Rom_10:9)

If you believe you will repent likewise if you repent it is because you believe. These are two sides of the same coin. You will not have one without the other.