How the Holy Spirit Speaks & How He Will Not Speak

[ChristB4Us]

This is about how the Holy Spirit will speak and how He will not speak.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV

Compare the KJV with the other 4 versions regarding the truth in His words for how the Holy Spirit will speak and how He will not speak.

John 16:13 KJV;NASB1995;ASV;NIV;NKJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, - Bible Gateway

He will not speak of Himself KJV, not speak on His own initiative NASB1995, not speak from Himself ASV, not speak on His own NIV, and not speak on His own authority NKJV.

You all discerning the truth here as shared in all Bible versions that He cannot speak from Himself at all and that anything He says, it is what He hears that He is to say?

This is where modern Bible mess up when it comes to Romans 8:26-27.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV;NASB1995;ASV;NIV;NKJV - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our - Bible Gateway

The NASB1995 groanings too deep for words & the NIV uttering wordless groans is testifying to the Holy Spirit uttering His groanings out loud whereas the KJV, ASV, & NKJV maintain the truth in His words that His groanings are silent because the Holy Spirit cannot utter anything from Himself according to John 16:13.

The reason the KJV has "itself", whereas the ASV & NKJV has it as Himself, is because the Holy Spirit is not making these intercessions out loud and so the "he" in verse 27. as this same "he" searches our hearts Whom is the word of God per Hebrews 4:12-16 is the same "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father which is in according to the will of God being there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus per 1 Timothy 2:5 and the why is John 14:6 with John 14:13-14 as only Jesus at that throne of grace can present our intercessions, the Spirit's silent intercessions, and Jesus has His own intercessions to give to the Father so that when the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answer to prayers. This is why we are to give thanks to the Father in Jesus's name for answers to prayers.

Notice the grammatical error in the NIV? How can the "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of the Spirit, be "the Spirit" at the conclusion of that verse? The NIV is not alone in sharing that grammatical error in vs 27, but I hope in the Lord that you see that error.

If anyone is disagreeing with how the Holy Spirit will speak only what He hears and not speak from Himself at all, feel free to share why, but Lord be willing, I shall address something about the KJV that may offend others as it will be found in all Bible versions also in the next post I submit.

 

[ChristB4Us]

I find Jesus's warning as disconcerting.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Then Peter reported this offense that wayward believers were messing with the scriptures.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

So with the truth on how the Holy Spirit will speak and not speak as stated plainly by the scriptures in the OP, we find questionable scriptures even in the KJV as if God's gift of tongues can be used by the Holy Spirit to speak unto God.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church......

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Makes one wonder if the English word "unto" in verse 2 should say & be meaning as "from" only because the Spirit is not speaking mysteries to God as this is being heard by men and it is a mystery if they understand not what is said for why Paul was exhorting believers in verse 1 that if they seek any spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesies over all gifts and began showing why by comparing tongues against prophecies.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not from men, but from God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

But verse 4 has to be an outright lie as *wrested scripture because as we read on, Paul is giving instructions to those that speak in tongues as manifested by the Holy Spirit, that they should pray that someone else will interpret because until it is interpreted, that tongue will be unfruitful to himself as a tongue speaker not understanding what was said.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

So it is Paul's spirit that is praying while the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongue in him, that someone else will interpret that tongue which adds to his exhortation in 1 Corinthians 14:1 to the believers to seek the gift prophesy even over tongues as tongues is not a stand alone gift for it needs interpretation from another for him to understand that tongue to be "edified".

So in no way can tongues edify self unless it is interpreted. The verses,2, 4. & 28 has to be wrested scripture when Paul even gave the bottom line on God's gift of tongues was for God to speak unto the people in 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 as prophesied.

So the truth is not lining up in chapter 14 for why verses 2, & 4, & 28 has to be wrested scripture.

Look at how the gifts of the Spirit is to "profit" the body of Christ as in withal in 1 Corinthians 12:7 and how 1 Corinthians 12:19-21 speaks against any member trying to claim any gift to be for private use as if they need no interpretation.

Really annoys me that I did not see this for so long as wrested scriptures as tongue for private users always apply verses 2 & 4 & 28 as if tongues can be for private use when even the gift of prophesy requires 2 or 3 to speak and another to judge.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Why is this necessary, not to mention why none of the gifts are for private use?

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Jesus even said it;

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

That is how the word of God by way of tongues with interpretation and by way of prophesies for another to judge is established by 2 or 3 witnesses.

May the Lord deliver Baptists from any Pentecostal & Charismatic false teaching creeping into the Baptist & Christian churches.

 

[Mathetes66]

You got it ChristB4u. Gifts are for the edification OF THE BODY. No interpreter on tongues? Keep silent.
An unknown tongue is one that is not interpreted.

 

[Tenchi]

This is about how the Holy Spirit will speak and how He will not speak.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV

Compare the KJV with the other 4 versions regarding the truth in His words for how the Holy Spirit will speak and how He will not speak.

John 16:13 KJV;NASB1995;ASV;NIV;NKJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, - Bible Gateway

He will not speak of Himself KJV, not speak on His own initiative NASB1995, not speak from Himself ASV, not speak on His own NIV, and not speak on His own authority NKJV.

You all discerning the truth here as shared in all Bible versions that He cannot speak from Himself at all and that anything He says, it is what He hears that He is to say?

John 16:7-15
7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15 "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

What it sounds to me like you're asserting about the Holy Spirit is that he is little more than a conduit - like a telephone wire, microphone cable, or stereo speaker - through whom God and Christ communicate to us. When you say that the Spirit "cannot speak from himself at all," you're actually not just describing the extent of his role as our "Helper," but are ascribing to him an inferior capacity to that of God the Father, or God the Son. In other words, you're making the Holy Spirit a sort of "second-stringer" in the Godhead, incapable of communication of his own to us, just an instrument, a tool, in fact, used by the other members of the Trinity to communicate to human beings. I think this characterization of the Holy Spirit is mistaken and dangerous.

Jesus didn't say in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit would never speak to his disciples under his own initiative and was actually incapable of doing so, as you've asserted. The Spirit would confine his communication to the apostles when it came to expressing divine truth (i.e. Scripture/doctrine) and prophecy, in particular, bringing to their remembrance the things Jesus had taught them (Jn. 14:26). Paul gave a fuller explanation of this work of the Spirit:

1 Corinthians 2:10-13
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

Inasmuch as the Holy Spirit is God (Ro. 8:9, 14; Ac. 2:17; Phil. 2:13; 2 Cor. 3:3; etc.), sharing fully in the divine nature with God the Father and Christ, to "hear" from the Spirit is to hear from God, not merely a proxy for God. The Spirit is God communicating with us, he is not merely a divine "tool of communication" as you seem to want to think.

 

[JesusFan]

John 16:7-15
7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15 "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

What it sounds to me like you're asserting about the Holy Spirit is that he is little more than a conduit - like a telephone wire, microphone cable, or stereo speaker - through whom God and Christ communicate to us. When you say that the Spirit "cannot speak from himself at all," you're actually not just describing the extent of his role as our "Helper," but are ascribing to him an inferior capacity to that of God the Father, or God the Son. In other words, you're making the Holy Spirit a sort of "second-stringer" in the Godhead, incapable of communication of his own to us, just an instrument, a tool, in fact, used by the other members of the Trinity to communicate to human beings. I think this characterization of the Holy Spirit is mistaken and dangerous.

Jesus didn't say in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit would never speak to his disciples under his own initiative and was actually incapable of doing so, as you've asserted. The Spirit would confine his communication to the apostles when it came to expressing divine truth (i.e. Scripture/doctrine) and prophecy, in particular, bringing to their remembrance the things Jesus had taught them (Jn. 14:26). Paul gave a fuller explanation of this work of the Spirit:

1 Corinthians 2:10-13
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

Inasmuch as the Holy Spirit is God (Ro. 8:9, 14; Ac. 2:17; Phil. 2:13; 2 Cor. 3:3; etc.), sharing fully in the divine nature with God the Father and Christ, to "hear" from the Spirit is to hear from God, not merely a proxy for God. The Spirit is God communicating with us, he is not merely a divine "tool of communication" as you seem to want to think.

Bible states to us the Holy Spirit spoke to assemblies, as he orders paul to be set apart and commissioned to be sent forth out from theme now

Holy Spirit not force, not energy of God as JW see Him as being, not an it as Kjv translated Him as being, but the Third person of Holy trinity