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Hebrews written by Timothy

Saved421

Member
Good afternoon,

I am back, and wish to discuss Timothy/Hebrews.

I believe this is the epistle of Paul, to the Hebrews which is doctrinally primarily to the the tribulation.

I believe Timothy wrote it, and yes, I believe colophons are inspired.

The reasoning of its writting is different is since its likely written in Hebrew and later written in Greek (Luke?)

Anyway, the KJB is always right.

Note: Luther had a similar colophon as well
 

Charlie24

Active Member
Good afternoon,

I am back, and wish to discuss Timothy/Hebrews.

I believe this is the epistle of Paul, to the Hebrews which is doctrinally primarily to the the tribulation.

I believe Timothy wrote it, and yes, I believe colophons are inspired.

The reasoning of its writting is different is since its likely written in Hebrew and later written in Greek (Luke?)

Anyway, the KJB is always right.

Note: Luther had a similar colophon as well

There are some hints and giveaways in the benediction of Hebrews.

The author mentions "our Brother Timothy" as Paul did several times in his epistles.

The author said, "that I may be restored to you the sooner." It's believed Paul wrote Hebrews while in prison in Rome. He mentions Timothy, "with whom, if he comes shortly, I will see you."

The author said, "they of Italy salute you" so Rome is probably where it was written.

Also, the author of Hebrews had to be a scholar of unparalleled proportions. It is my opinion that with Paul's great learning at the feet of Gamaliel in the Law, and the revelation of the New Covenant given to Him by Christ, there is no question that no one other than Paul could have written Hebrews. The understanding of the author in the Law and applying it in such detail to Christ is astounding.
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
I think Timothy was unqualified on more than one count to be an author of scripture. One important fact is that all the authors of the New Testament scriptures were disciples from the beginning of the ministry of Jesus. This excludes Timothy.
 

Saved421

Member
Hello again, when I mean Timothy wrote it, I mean he was the scribe who wrote for Paul. Just like Terticus.

No, the KJB IS ALWAYS RIGHT.
 

Saved421

Member
I think Timothy was unqualified on more than one count to be an author of scripture. One important fact is that all the authors of the New Testament scriptures were disciples from the beginning of the ministry of Jesus. This excludes Timothy.
The Author is mainly first of all, the Holy Ghost and second, The Apostle Paul as stated in the inspired title.

As with other epistles, Paul had others to write it for him. See Romans was written by Terticus.

Timothy isn't the author, did it say author? No, it said written by him.

All titles, colophons are inspired and in the total of 7 to the 7th power of words in the preserved word of God.
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
The Author is mainly first of all, the Holy Ghost and second, The Apostle Paul as stated in the inspired title.

As with other epistles, Paul had others to write it for him. See Romans was written by Terticus.

Timothy isn't the author, did it say author? No, it said written by him.

All titles, colophons are inspired and in the total of 7 to the 7th power of words in the preserved word of God.
Okay, I heartily agree with you that the KJV is always right. I have no doubts about that and I think there is enough internal evidence to be relatively sure that Paul authored the epistle to the Hebrews. Who penned it is something I do not have a guess about. I think a possibility that God did not reveal outright that Paul authored the letter is because of his designation as the apostle to the gentiles and his name being association with that number thirteen. He was the thirteenth apostle who wrote thirteen letters about how we are to please God and he received his apostolic commission in Acts thirteen when he was sent to the gentiles.
 
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Scarlett O.

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All titles, colophons are inspired and in the total of 7 to the 7th power of words in the preserved word of God.
I had to look up this "7 to the 7th power" stuff you speak of and I must say that it is the most ludicrous thing I have heard of. It's pagan numerology to a tee.

I had a much longer post, but since it will not move you at all, I have erased it.

This numerology and adoration of the King James Bible disturbs me beyond belief. It is a good Bible, but BECAUSE it is a translation, it is not perfect by any means.
 

Saved421

Member
The words 'Written by Timothy by Timothy' aren't guesses, they are in the manuscripts. Also, in the Spanish, German and Eramsus Greek Text/Latin.
 

Saved421

Member
Its no
I had to look up this "7 to the 7th power" stuff you speak of and I must say that it is the most ludicrous thing I have heard of. It's pagan numerology to a tee.

I had a much longer post, but since it will not move you at all, I have erased it.

This numerology and adoration of the King James Bible disturbs me beyond belief. It is a good Bible, but BECAUSE it is a translation, it is not perfect by any means.
Is abousltely not, the Bible is a mathematical miracle.
 

Logos1560

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No, the KJB IS ALWAYS RIGHT.
You fail to demonstrate that the Scriptures teach your opinion.

Ross Purdy suggested that two other “examples of the [KJV] translators’ bias will be seen in the postscripts to two of Paul’s epistles” (I Will Have One Doctrine, p. 63). At the end of 2 Timothy in the 1611 edition of the KJV, the postscript referred to Timothy as “ordained the first Bishop of the Church of the Ephesians.” At the end of Titus in the 1611 KJV, the postscript referred to Titus as “ordained the first Bishop of the Church of the Cretians.”

Bishop Thomas Bilson in his book defending Episcopal church government and apostolic succession maintained that Timothy and Titus were bishops (Perpetual Government, pp. 302-303, 341, 388). Thomas Bilson wrote: “If succession of Episcopal power came from the apostles to them [Timothy and Titus], and so to their successors, we shall soon conclude that bishops came from the apostles” (p. 302). Bilson asserted: “We infer this power must be perpetual in bishops, for they succeed Timothy in the church” (p. 391). Bilson contended: “St. Paul committed that power and care to Timothy and his successors” (p. 406).

Bishop Overall’s Convocation Book claimed that “it is very apparent and cannot be denied, that in many Greek copies of the New Testament, Timothy and Titus are termed bishops in the directions or subscriptions of two epistles which St. Paul did write unto them (pp. 145-146). In this same book, KJV translator John Overall referred to Timothy and Titus as “two apostolical bishops newly designed unto their Episcopal functions” (p. 140).

James Lillie maintained that the Church of England uses these postscripts “to prove her order of bishops” (Bishops, p. 3). Stephen Marshall, Edmund Calamy, Thomas Young, Matthew Newcomen, and William Spurstowe maintained that “our Episcopal men of late in newer impressions enlarged their phylacteries, in putting those postscripts in the same full character with that of the text, that the simple might believe they are canonical Scripture” (Smectymnuus, p. 45). Concerning these postscripts, Ross Purdy asserted: “The bias of the King James Version ’translators’ towards prelates (i.e., a hierarchy of ruling prelates/bishops is quite obvious” (I Will Have, p. 64).

John Davenport asserted that the postscript to 2 Timothy and to Titus “are apocryphal” (Power, p. 80). William Perkins (1558-1602) noted that “most of the postscripts are uncertain, if not false, as of that after the second epistle to Timothy, in which Timothy is called an ‘elect bishop of Ephesus’” (Works of William Perkins, Vol. 4, p. 21). John Brown maintained: “These postscripts are of no weight; are of no divine authority; but were added, at least in their present form, ages after their [referring to Timothy and Titus] death, by some imposter” (Letters, p. 42). Thomas Powell observed: “The subscriptions at the end of the Epistles are of no authority; but only mere human tradition” (Essay on Apostolical Succession, p. 54). While the 1560 Geneva Bible also included a postscript to 2 Timothy, its rendering does not assert the same degree of Episcopal bias. The Geneva Bible postscript referred to “Timotheus the first bishop elected, of the Church of Ephesus.” Haak’s 1657 English translation of the 1637 Dutch Annotations had this note after the postscript at the end of 2 Timothy: “These subscriptions even as it is uncertain who set them down, so their truth is also uncertain.” At the end of 2 Timothy, Theodore Haak noted or translated: “(The Epistle) to Titus, the first elected overseer [Gr. EPISCOPON; that Titus was an evangelist, sent to and fro by the apostles to spread abroad the gospel, is indeed collected out of the Scriptures; but not that he was anywhere a Bishop, as they are at this day called amongst the Papists].”

These misleading postscripts used to advocate Episcopal church government remain in some [perhaps all] KJV editions printed at Cambridge and Oxford in Great Britain, but they are not found in a number of KJV editions printed in America. Do KJV-only advocates believe those words of the postscripts as the KJV translators did and do they assert that these postscripts should be printed in the KJV editions that they recommend? Some KJV-only advocates recommend as the perfect standard Cambridge KJV editions that include these Episcopal postscripts.
 
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