Do you have any thoughts on the idea that, "KJVOnly", has within it an initial, "V", which stands for, "Version"?

[Dr. Bob]

Personal testimony. I was a speaker at Camp Grace and an area pastor involved with the camp was there for the week. Each day he would sit in the dining hall with books/notes to make an "interlinear" English/Greek NT. Since I was well-versed in Greek, he asked questions about the words of the Koine Greek NT.

I said "an interlinear should have the inspired words, then below each, the receptor (English) word exactly. Even if it isn't the best flow in English, since the key is the Greek". He looked at me and said we HAVE those sort of interlinear available. He was going to start "with the inspired KJV - he was using 1769 Oxford over the flawed 1762 Cambridge KJV - and rewrite the Greek text under it, to match the KJV."

Dumbfounded. He went on to school me that in 1611 God did a secondary work preserving the Greek so that a PERFECT ENGLISH BIBLE could be given to the world. The KJV "corrects" the short-comings of the Greek. Then read a text from Jack Hyles (IFB pastor who is guru to the KJVonly sect) that only using the KJV produces genuine converts. It is the true and living seed, and all other translations produce false professions and not real.

I told him that God would judge him for twisting and changing the actual inspired Word of God to a man-made (therefore fallible) translation. And added not to listen to me, since I was saved by preaching thru the 1901ASV, not the KJV, and probably not genuinely saved.

Grrrrr.

 

[JesusFan]

If you like the 1611 KJV you will most definitely like the pre -1611 Versions. Tyndale's New Testaments, 1526, 1534 and final revisions 1535,36. Matthew's Bible 1537, Geneva Bible 1560. Coverdale's Versions, Great Bible. Bishop's Bible. So on and so forth.

Many, such as Puritans over here in America, decided to stay with their Geneva Bibles, even when 1611 Kjv were available

 

[JesusFan]

How do you feel about the NASB? That is how my (1995) copy describes itself

My favorite bible translation to study out of

 

[JesusFan]

I have read portions of the Geneva Bible. When I was in deep study of Calvin, I was influenced to familiarize.

I'm pretty sure you're right, I did like the Geneva.

That means that you have read his Institutes then?

Interesting to me that while many dislike Calvinism and claim Calvin had bad theology, much of what they do not like was when others after him expounded on his Calvinism. as if Calvin gave the skeleton to that theology, but they fleshed it all out

 

[JesusFan]

Any translating of Old Testament verses into Greek was part of the miracle of the giving of New Testament by inspiration of God to the apostles and NT prophets.

That is not the same thing as post-NT translating into English in the pre-1611 English Bibles and in the 1611 KJV. Post-NT translating after the completion of the New Testament is not part of the supernatural process of giving all Scripture by inspiration to the prophets and apostles.

many KJVO seem to hold to a form of derived secondary inspiration to the 1611 translators

 

[JesusFan]

Personal testimony. I was a speaker at Camp Grace and an area pastor involved with the camp was there for the week. Each day he would sit in the dining hall with books/notes to make an "interlinear" English/Greek NT. Since I was well-versed in Greek, he asked questions about the words of the Koine Greek NT.

I said "an interlinear should have the inspired words, then below each, the receptor (English) word exactly. Even if it isn't the best flow in English, since the key is the Greek". He looked at me and said we HAVE those sort of interlinear available. He was going to start "with the inspired KJV - he was using 1769 Oxford over the flawed 1762 Cambridge KJV - and rewrite the Greek text under it, to match the KJV."

Dumbfounded. He went on to school me that in 1611 God did a secondary work preserving the Greek so that a PERFECT ENGLISH BIBLE could be given to the world. The KJV "corrects" the short-comings of the Greek. Then read a text from Jack Hyles (IFB pastor who is guru to the KJVonly sect) that only using the KJV produces genuine converts. It is the true and living seed, and all other translations produce false professions and not real.

I told him that God would judge him for twisting and changing the actual inspired Word of God to a man-made (therefore fallible) translation. And added not to listen to me, since I was saved by preaching thru the 1901ASV, not the KJV, and probably not genuinely saved.

Grrrrr.

That confirms that KJVO is pretty much a cult in practice and beliefs in regards to the Bible

 

[Charlie24]

That means that you have read his Institutes then?

Interesting to me that while many dislike Calvinism and claim Calvin had bad theology, much of what they do not like was when others after him expounded on his Calvinism. as if Calvin gave the skeleton to that theology, but they fleshed it all out

Calvin picked up where Augustine left off and took it to it's conclusion.

Calvin's faith was in Jesus Christ and he did many other things than just his theory of predestination.

 

[JesusFan]

Calvin picked up where Augustine left off and took it to it's conclusion.

Calvin's faith was in Jesus Christ and he did many other things than just his theory of predestination.

Several took his theology and pushed it further though also, such as a Beza

 

[Charlie24]

Several took his theology and pushed it further though also, such as a Beza

That's still a work in progress today, and will continue to be until Christ settles it.

 

[Charlie24]

That's still a work in progress today, and will continue to be until Christ settles it.

Calvin was quoted saying some strange things that I don't think fit his nature.

For example, Calvin was quoted as saying. " Man therefore falls, God's providence so ordaining, but he falls by his own fault."

How could man fall by his own fault if God so ordained it?

I question that Calvin said this! Calvin was a brilliant mind among the brilliant.

This is just unacceptable for me to accept from Calvin.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

For example, Calvin was quoted as saying. " Man therefore falls, God's providence so ordaining, but he falls by his own fault."

I can't tell you if Calvin said (wrote) it, but it's true IMHO.
Just because we don't understand a thing, it doesn't mean that God doesn't understand it.
Isaiah 55:8-9. '"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are above the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."'
See also Genesis 50:20 & Acts 4:27-28.

 

[Charlie24]

I can't tell you if Calvin said (wrote) it, but it's true IMHO.
Just because we don't understand a thing, it doesn't mean that God doesn't understand it.
Isaiah 55:8-9. '"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are above the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."'
See also Genesis 50:20 & Acts 4:27-28.

Well, If someone were to argue that Calvin said this meaning that God through His foreknowledge knew that man would fall (die lost), then if God ordained that man would die lost, how could it be man's fault when he has no choice in the matter?

It makes no sense and I don't believe Calvin said it!

 

[Charlie24]

Well, If someone were to argue that Calvin said this meaning that God through His foreknowledge knew that man would fall (die lost), then if God ordained that man would die lost, how could it be man's fault when he has no choice in the matter?

It makes no sense and I don't believe Calvin said it!

Of course, I have many questions concerning the origins of Calvinism.

I suppose that's why when I get started on it all the questions begin to converge, and I go on and on.

 

[JD731]

If the written scriptures were the most important consideration of God in the salvation of men, then my question is why did God wait until the beginning of the 5th millennium to write the first word to men who were not of the seed of Abraham? And why did the scriptures he wrote to the seed of Abraham have the opposite effect on them? Condemnation instead of salvation? The whole nation was condemned and the nations were set at enmity with the Jews because of them, the Jewish scriptures. (Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross);

In answer to my own question, it was because God had made a sacrifice for all men everywhere by giving his own Son to pay the penalty of their sins, but they had to know about him. Therefore the gospel of Jesus Christ is what saves men when they believe it, having heard it from his preachers he equips with his salvation. For the first time in the history of the world, beginning at the start of the 5th millennium, a preacher can go to a man who has never even heard of a Bible, anywhere in the world, and preach Jesus Christ and salvation by simple faith in him, and he can be saved and have eternal life. ( .....the gospel of Christ: for it is the power {as in authority} of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. ( Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the (NT) prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith Romans 16:25-26):

What troubles me more than whether we have a pure Bible is whether we have a pure gospel. One can be saved and not have a pure Bible but one cannot be saved without a pure gospel. There are some on this site who expresses their faith in a gospel that I believe to be questionable. I would rather have a pure gospel than a pure Bible but it is a real blessing when one has both. In either case it is a faith issue.

 

[Charlie24]

If the written scriptures were the most important consideration of God in the salvation of men, then my question is why did God wait until the beginning of the 5th millennium to write the first word to men who were not of the seed of Abraham? And why did the scriptures he wrote to the seed of Abraham have the opposite effect on them? Condemnation instead of salvation? The whole nation was condemned and the nations were set at enmity with the Jews because of them, the Jewish scriptures. (Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross);

In answer to my own question, it was because God had made a sacrifice for all men everywhere by giving his own Son to pay the penalty of their sins, but they had to know about him. Therefore the gospel of Jesus Christ is what saves men when they believe it, having heard it from his preachers he equips with his salvation. For the first time in the history of the world, beginning at the start of the 5th millennium, a preacher can go to a man who has never even heard of a Bible, anywhere in the world, and preach Jesus Christ and salvation by simple faith in him, and he can be saved and have eternal life. ( .....the gospel of Christ: for it is the power {as in authority} of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. ( Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the (NT) prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith Romans 16:25-26):

What troubles me more than whether we have a pure Bible is whether we have a pure gospel. One can be saved and not have a pure Bible but one cannot be saved without a pure gospel. There are some on this site who expresses their faith in a gospel that I believe to be questionable. I would rather have a pure gospel than a pure Bible but it is a real blessing when one has both. In either case it is a faith issue.

The irony of it all, in my opinion, is that religious Israel hated Christ, and the world hates Israel because of Christ.

I'll just be glad when the Lord sets it all straight and I can repent of what I have wrongly believed with all this discord over.

That will be in the next life, but I can rest knowing it will one day happen.