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Why did Jesus die?

Van

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Come on, Van! I plainly showed you how they fell away and the warning they were given.

Of the estimated 1-3 million Jews who left Egypt, only 3 were saved in the end.

The rest perished in the wilderness and did not enter into God's rest, as the author said.
What of Mode's brother?
Aaron? And how about the kids? The women and children under 20? Or the tribe of Levi?
 

Van

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Is it biblically sound to say only the "numbered" men (males) 20 and older died in the wilderness, but the women, and unnumbered men (males) did not necessarily die, along with the entire tribe of Levi?

Who were the unnumbered?

We need specifics not generalities.

Returning to topic, why did Jesus die.

As a ransom for all, becoming the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity.

Describe the difference between receiving mercy and being justified (reconciled) by the blood of the Lamb.
 

Charlie24

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Numbers 20:24-29.

Aaron rebelled against God with the people in unbelief off and on throughout that time in the wilderness.

Whether he made it into God's rest depends on whether he had the faith as Moses had in the end.

I don't think he did, it would have been mentioned, as God gives credit to all who believed in the OT Scripture.

You can follow from Adam and and Eve and the Scripture tells you who among them were believers.

Adam and Eve were not among them!
 

Charlie24

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You seem to interpret Aaron's failure as a damnable unbelief. Whare does God damn Aaron to perish?

He doesn't mention Aaron at all along those line. That's why I believe he didn't make it.

Enoch walked with God, Abel's sacrifice was accepted by God, Abraham believed God, etc.

This acknowledges salvation. Adam and Eve are not mentioned, Cain, and so on.

When you come to the kings of Israel, you know who is saved by, "and king so and so died and was buried with his fathers, and he did tht was right in the eyes of God, This is the acknowledgement of salvation. On the other hand,

"He did that which was not right in the eyes of God" is referring to a lost soul.

The Old Testament continues in this context.
 

Charlie24

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He doesn't mention Aaron at all along those line. That's why I believe he didn't make it.

Enoch walked with God, Abel's sacrifice was accepted by God, Abraham believed God, etc.

This acknowledges salvation. Adam and Eve are not mentioned, Cain, and so on.

When you come to the kings of Israel, you know who is saved by, "and king so and so died and was buried with his fathers, and he did tht was right in the eyes of God, This is the acknowledgement of salvation. On the other hand,

"He did that which was not right in the eyes of God" is referring to a lost soul.

The Old Testament continues in this context.

I left out the main point of what we're discussing.

The Scripture says of Moses when he died, "Moses the servant of God'." this is acknowledging salvation.

Nothing is said if Aaron, along with Adam and Eve, and Cain.

So I'm pretty sure Aaron didn't make it. But there's no exact proof of this.
 

37818

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Again Numbers 20:24-29, Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled against my word at the water of Meribah. . . .
And Moses stripped Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son; and Aaron died there in the top of the mount: and Moses and Eleazar came down from the mount. And when all the congregation saw that Aaron was dead, they mourned for Aaron thirty days, even all the house of Israel.
 

Charlie24

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I left out the main point of what we're discussing.

The Scripture says of Moses when he died, "Moses the servant of God'." this is acknowledging salvation.

Nothing is said if Aaron, along with Adam and Eve, and Cain.

So I'm pretty sure Aaron didn't make it. But there's no exact proof of this.

You can assume being "gathered together with his people" is in physical death, or that it means gathered with the saved.

I can hardly believe it refers to his salvation. But it could.

I have never see in Scripture where that was said of Moses.
 

Van

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Is it biblically sound to say only the "numbered" men (males) 20 and older died in the wilderness, but the women, and unnumbered men (males) did not necessarily die, along with the entire tribe of Levi?

Who were the unnumbered?

We need specifics not generalities.

Returning to topic, why did Jesus die.

As a ransom for all, becoming the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity.

Describe the difference between receiving mercy and being justified (reconciled) by the blood of the Lamb.
It seems no one posting can answer these questions.

One theory is only those males (who could fight a war) were numbered. This would exclude women and those under 20 years old. Eleazar also appears to have entered the Promised Land and he was probably over 20, thus also supporting the exclusion of the Levi from the numbering.

When the evidence is weak, we should teach theories as possibilities, because we cannot preclude the theory. But when the evidence is strong, such as those under 20 were not condemned to die in the wilderness, we should not claim they all died before entry.
 
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