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Is Spiritual death a Biblical Concept then?

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JesusFan

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When God warned Adam and Eve what the results of disobeying Him would be towards them, was spiritual death one of consequences to them and to unto all of us now found in Adam or not?
 
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Zaatar71

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Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
This verse is helpful on the question you asked.
 
Wesley Briggman

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(Eph 2:4 KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Yes, I believe the Bible teaches spiritual death is a result of Adams disobedience to God's expressed will.
 
JonC

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JesusFan said:
When God warned Adam and Eve what the results of disobeying Him would be towards them, was spiritual death one of consequences to them and to unto all of us now found in Adam or not?
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How many deaths does Scripture say there are?

In Genesis God tells Adam he will certainly die ("dust thou art and to dust thou will return").

So there is one death.

Then in Revelation we read of the second death.

The Second death is God's judgment when Sheol and death are cast into the Lake of Fire, the wicked non-believers are cast out of God's presence to an everlasting punishment.

Since this second death is pretty final, it is one of only two deaths Scripture mentions, and it is called "the second death", and "it is appointed man once to die and then the judgment" with this second death being God's judgment.....looks like "spiritual death" is a doctrine of man.

Maybe it is just a poor title (since spiritual life is everlasting).

Do you mean are men are dead in their trespasses and sin and need spiritual life? If so, then yes, being dead in one's sins is a thing.

But no, people do not die spiritually. The fkesh passes away, not spiritual life.
 
JonC

JonC

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Zaatar71 said:
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
This verse is helpful on the question you asked.
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I think that will confuse him more. God also refers to this as "returning to dust" and it would assume Adam had been born of the Spirit.
 
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Charlie24

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JonC said:
How many deaths does Scripture say there are?

In Genesis God tells Adam he will certainly die ("dust thou art and to dust thou will return").

So there is one death.

Then in Revelation we read of the second death.

The Second death is God's judgment when Sheol and death are cast into the Lake of Fire, the wicked non-believers are cast out of God's presence to an everlasting punishment.

Since this second death is pretty final, it is one of only two deaths Scripture mentions, and it is called "the second death", and "it is appointed man once to die and then the judgment" with this second death being God's judgment.....looks like "spiritual death" is a doctrine of man.

Maybe it is just a poor title (since spiritual life is everlasting).

Do you mean are men are dead in their trespasses and sin and need spiritual life? If so, then yes, being dead in one's sins is a thing.

But no, people do not die spiritually. The fkesh passes away, not spiritual life.
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Jon, spiritual life is the presence of the Holy Spirit with our spirit. Only present in believers.

Spiritual death is the absence of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Jon, spiritual life is the presence of the Holy Spirit with our spirit. Only present in believers.

Spiritual death is the absence of the Holy Spirit.
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That's where the phrase "spiritually dead" comes from.

The absence of the Holy Spirit.
 
JonC

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Charlie24 said:
That's where the phrase "spiritually dead" comes from.

The absence of the Holy Spirit.
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Ahh...

Then I agree that there are peoole who are spiritually dead.

I certainly do not believe in spiritual death if that means spiritually dying (I believe that when we are born of the Soirit this is permanent....we never die spiritually).

Does that make sense?


I assume "Spiritusl death" as in dying spiritually is a free-will Baotist conceot?
 
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Charlie24

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JonC said:
Ahh...

Then I agree that there are peoole who are spiritually dead.

I certainly do not believe in spiritual death if that means spiritually dying (I believe that when we are born of the Soirit this is permanent....we never die spiritually).

Does that make sense?


I assume "Spiritusl death" as in dying spiritually is a free-will Baotist conceot?
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You ;have to stay within the context of what's being said, Jon.

We're not talking about the lost in Hell dying at some point and not living forever in the Lake of Fire (dying spiritually).

We're talking about the other end of the spectrum, eternal life vs. eternal death.

That depends on the indwelling Holy Spirit.
 
JonC

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Charlie24 said:
You ;have to stay within the context of what's being said, Jon.

We're not talking about the lost in Hell dying at some point and not living forever in the Lake of Fire (dying spiritually).

We're talking about the other end of the spectrum, eternal life vs. eternal death.

That depends on the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Yea......sorry.

So we are not talking about being spiritually alive and then spiritually dying but the state of being spiritually dead (without being born of the Spirit).

It sometimes takes me awhile. But I get there.
 
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Charlie24

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JonC said:
Yea......sorry.

So we are not talking about being spiritually alive and then spiritually dying but the state of being spiritually dead (without being born of the Spirit).

It sometimes takes me awhile. But I get there.
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LOL, we don't agree on the sin nature, penal substitution, spiritual death, and a host of many other things, just name one.

It will always be an argument with us, Jon, no way around it.
 
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