Acts 13:48 and Election

[Brightfame52]

It is promised to anyone who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

False, thats not in scripture. Eternal life is promised to chosen heirs, they are called heirs of promise Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Heb 6:17

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

 

[Brightfame52]

There you go inserting your philosophy into the text again. Nowhere does it say that God causes everything to happen.

God created all causes did He not ? Is something causing things to happen and occur without being created itself besides God ?

 

[Brightfame52]

There you go inserting your philosophy into the text again. Nowhere does it say that God causes everything to happen.

Okay lets say satan is the cause of evil and sin occurring in the world, where did he come from ? Did God create him or did he create himself into being ?

 

[Baptizo]

Okay lets say satan is the cause of evil and sin occurring in the world, where did he come from ? Did God create him or did he create himself into being ?

Of course God created Satan but Satan was the cause of his own evil.

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course God created Satan but Satan was the cause of his own evil.

How could he be the cause of his own evil if God wasnt his first cause ?

 

[Silverhair]

How is God being the first cause of all things and Creator of all things Gnostic ? Look Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Your calvinistc philosophy comes from Gnostic teachings.

God is not the first cause of everything as that would make Him responsible for all the sin and evil in the world. That view comes from the pagan teaching that are the foundation of calvinism.

There is a vast difference between God creating all that we see and Him being the cause of all we do and think.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

God is not the first cause of everything

Then you sound like you promote dualism, and proclaim other first causes other than God

Dualism:

• the religious doctrine that the universe contains opposed powers of good and evil, especially seen as balanced equals.

 

[Silverhair]

How could he be the cause of his own evil if God wasnt his first cause ?

Because he had a freewill.

Isa_14:13-14 For you [Lucifer] have said in your heart:
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation In the sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.

This passage is often referred to as The Five ˜I wills” of Satan. The statements reveal Satan’s sinful nature, his rebellion, his disobedience, his self-sufficiency, his pride, his self-exaltation, and his all-encompassing pride and arrogance.

For Satan, it’s all about him, and nothing about God.

The same God that gave to Lucifer the power of choice, gives to you the power of choice. ‘Choose you this day whom you will serve.’”

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair


Then you sound like you promote dualism, and proclaim other first causes other than God

Dualism:

• the religious doctrine that the universe contains opposed powers of good and evil, especially seen as balanced equals.

No it is call free will. Man makes his own choices and is responsible for them or God makes all the choices and is responsible for them.

The bible shows that man is responsible so I have to ask why do you not believe the bible?

?? Did I say there were opposed forces? That is just your way of avoiding the issues that your philosophy causes.

God is sovereign and in His sovereignty He can do as He pleases, such as to grant man a free will. To say that God can't is to deny His sovereignty which seems to be the position that you hold.

Calvinists are very comfortable when speaking of the awful depravity of man, but conversely very uncomfortable when speaking of how the alleged “immutable decree” caused the awful depravity of man in the first place.

 

[Brightfame52]

Because he had a freewill.

Isa_14:13-14 For you [Lucifer] have said in your heart:
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation In the sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.

This passage is often referred to as The Five ˜I wills” of Satan. The statements reveal Satan’s sinful nature, his rebellion, his disobedience, his self-sufficiency, his pride, his self-exaltation, and his all-encompassing pride and arrogance.

For Satan, it’s all about him, and nothing about God.

The same God that gave to Lucifer the power of choice, gives to you the power of choice. ‘Choose you this day whom you will serve.’”

So you seem to believe satan created himself to be evil

 

[Brightfame52]

No it is call free will. Man makes his own choices and is responsible for them or God makes all the choices and is responsible for them.

The bible shows that man is responsible so I have to ask why do you not believe the bible?

?? Did I say there were opposed forces? That is just your way of avoiding the issues that your philosophy causes.

God is sovereign and in His sovereignty He can do as He pleases, such as to grant man a free will. To say that God can't is to deny His sovereignty which seems to be the position that you hold.

Calvinists are very comfortable when speaking of the awful depravity of man, but conversely very uncomfortable when speaking of how the alleged “immutable decree” caused the awful depravity of man in the first place.

How can man make a choice if he doesnt exist ? How does satan make a choice if he wasnt created to exist ?

 

[Silverhair]

So you seem to believe satan created himself to be evil

You really do have a problem with the English language don't you.

Where in what I posted do you see that Satan created himself.

The post does show that he exercised his free will.

 

[Silverhair]

How can man make a choice if he doesnt exist ? How does satan make a choice if he wasnt created to exist ?

You are rambling and making no sense.

Your questions show just how desperate you are.

Try asking logical questions.

 

[Brightfame52]

You really do have a problem with the English language don't you.

Where in what I posted do you see that Satan created himself.

The post does show that he exercised his free will.

Could satan exercise his freewill b4 God created him ?

 

[Brightfame52]

You are rambling and making no sense.

Your questions show just how desperate you are.

Try asking logical questions.

Whose will was it that adam or the devil exist ?

 

[Silverhair]

BF I have yet to see you give a logical defense of your philosophy.

 

[Silverhair]

Could satan exercise his freewill b4 God created him ?

Another dumb question but I will humor you this time.

NO. But Isa_14:13-14 shows that Satan existed when he exercised his free will.

Or do you think he did that before he existed?

 

[Silverhair]

Whose will was it that adam or the devil exist ?

God But what is the point that you are trying to make?

God created but He need not determine all that happens.

Your philosophy requires divine determinism but then you want to deny what that view leads to.

 

[Brightfame52]

Another dumb question but I will humor you this time.

NO. But Isa_14:13-14 shows that Satan existed when he exercised his free will.

Or do you think he did that before he existed?

No is correct, and he exercised his freewill as God predetermined he should do b4 He created him.

 

[Silverhair]

No is correct, and he exercised his freewill as God predetermined he should do b4 He created him.

Correct God has a predetermined plan that man, and to answer your post Satan, would have a free will with which to make choices.