Acts 13:48 and Election

[Ben1445]

whosoever is jew or gentile

Any Jew and any Gentile.

 

[Brightfame52]

This is blatant blasphemy.

Maybe on your part. Sounds like you deny God as being the First and Primary cause of all things !

 

[Brightfame52]

Any Jew and any Gentile.

That are of the elect,yes

 

[Ben1445]

That are of the elect,yes

1Tim 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

What part of “ransom for all” does not apply to all people?

 

[Silverhair]

God created the devil correct ?

Actually He created Lucifer, who was called son of the morning, star of the morning, son of the dawn.
He became the devil when he sinned.

 

[Brightfame52]

1Tim 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

What part of “ransom for all” does not apply to all people?

Thats about the elect

 

[Brightfame52]

Actually He created Lucifer, who was called son of the morning, star of the morning, son of the dawn.
He became the devil when he sinned.

Actually He created everyone and that for His Pleasure and will. He made the wicked for the day of evil Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[Ben1445]

Thats about the elect

And this one?
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

[Brightfame52]

And this one?
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The same, the elect

 

[Ben1445]

The same, the elect

So the judgement only came on the elect and the non-elect are not judged.
That isn’t good doctrine, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were Calvinist doctrine.

 

[Brightfame52]

So the judgement only came on the elect and the non-elect are not judged.
That isn’t good doctrine, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were Calvinist doctrine.

Rom 5 isnt concerned about the non elect and its judgment, its about the experience of Gods elect both from adam and then Christ

 

[Ben1445]

So the all men doesn’t actually mean all men?

 

[Ben1445]

Rom 5 isnt concerned about the non elect and its judgment, its about the experience of Gods elect both from adam and then Christ

So Romans 5:21, That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

is talking about the death of the elect?

 

[Ben1445]

Rom 5 isnt concerned about the non elect and its judgment, its about the experience of Gods elect both from adam and then Christ

Rom. 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
And “if” the Calvinist elect doesn’t believe?
To which you will say he must. How can he resist God. Why then “if” if the Calvinist position is “because?”
It is because the biblical position is not Calvinist.

 

[Brightfame52]

So Romans 5:21, That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

is talking about the death of the elect?

Yes absolutely

 

[Brightfame52]

Rom. 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
And “if” the Calvinist elect doesn’t believe?
To which you will say he must. How can he resist God. Why then “if” if the Calvinist position is “because?”
It is because the biblical position is not Calvinist.

only the non elect dont believe since Christ didtnt die for them and raise again for their justification.

 

[Brightfame52]

So the all men doesn’t actually mean all men?

Correct, not all without exception, it means either all without racial and social distinction, or not just jews. You believe all in scripture means all without exception which means you lack biblical understanding of the word all in scriptural contexts

 

[Ben1445]

Correct, not all without exception, it means either all without racial and social distinction, or not just jews. You believe all in scripture means all without exception which means you lack biblical understanding of the word all in scriptural contexts

What I have just seen is that you lack biblical understanding and can’t read a verse without changing the meaning to fit your preferred false doctrine.
If you can pick and choose meanings of words that easily, you might just as well use Huckleberry Finn as a Bible. You would be able to make it say whatever you want.
Go your own way.

 

[Silverhair]

Thats about the elect

Since the calvinist view is a denial scripture that came from Augustine in the late 300's you need to provide biblical proof that your view is valid.

What I have seen from most calvinist's is just a denial of clear scripture and a twisting of God's word.

 

[Silverhair]

Actually He created everyone and that for His Pleasure and will. He made the wicked for the day of evil Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Taking verses out of context does not support you twisted understanding of the word of God.

Calvinism is wrong from the start and all you are doing is compounding that error when you repeat it.